Thats your response? Wow, that sucks..
See? You don't give a damn about anything but your own bloodlust. Some of us were raised to
recognize that we are part of a society. That society is not here to pander exclusively to your needs. Period. The objective fact is that in prison, humanity is wasted. Come now, try to deny that. License plates? Oooh, there's a contribution. Cleaning up highways? That's what Boy Scouts are for. Job training? Suddenly people go nuts because we're treating convicts too well.
Think about it: you're paying for people to be in prison. You might as well get something for your investment, such as a productive human being. However, I understand that, being blinded by your own experiences, you're happy to invest in bloodlust. You're part of a society. Every once in a while you have to stop and think about what's good or bad for that society. Doing what's best for society is often a bitter pill to swallow. But you seem to have an affinity for bitterness, so figure it out.
I honestly dont see where greed fits in here.
Why am I not surprised?
Look at your appeal to me: I'm not qualified to speak because I haven't been murdered. If I was murdered, I would feel differently. Yes, I would. As has been noted earlier, victims of crimes and their families are often clouded by hate. You'd be amazed at what some people will tell me. Seriously--people kill each other over shoes and cars in this society. Do you really think they're going to think about anything but their own inner bloodlust?
Shut up, Im right and your wrong so go away now. You have no experience with severe abuse (im guessing) so therefor your opinion is invalid. I'd probably agree with you if I was a pampered affirmative action lovin' liberal/pothead
Like I noted, you seem to have an affinity for bitterness. I understand if you don't ever want to grow up, but you shouldn't pretend to be an adult if you are going to continue to treat the world with childish disregard.
Were all created equal in the eyes of the lord, right?
Lord's got nothing to do with it. Just like there are no atheists in foxholes, there is no objectivity in the most part of crime survivors.
An eye for an eye will make everyone blind, right?
I think that's demonstrable. Look at you: you can't see humanity in front of your face. Take off those bloody glasses.
What about paying for your friggin crimes Tiassa?
I live in a country where smoking pot costs you more prison time than cutting off a man's penis. I live in a country where police officers can murder with impunity. I live in a country where life has a cash value just under $1150. Paying for crimes? We
all pay for crime. And we make a horrible investment of it. Punishment is a personal satisfaction. While a body politic bears the necessity of protecting itself from the dangerous, this addiction to "punishment" seems to have the result of creating more and greater dangers. Figure it out. Send a kid to prison for possession and he comes out knowing how to pimp, how to kill, and how to fence. Yeah, he paid for his horrible crime.
The molesters and murderers probably will remain dangerous to society. For that reason they should be kept separate. But to crave, require, or otherwise feel compelled to "punishment" is a wasted effort. The rest of the world, of course, will kindly put itself on hold for you, and wait for you to get on with life. Why not? We've got a few billion years before the sun explodes, right?
What about taking the blame away from people like me and putting on the criminals where it belongs?
And you wonder where I get the
greed aspect of it?
First off, who the fuck is blaming you, and for what? I can only blame you for being a hateful, murderous idiot. I stop blaming you for that when you choose to stop being a hateful, murderous idiot.
I yearn to murder since I support people paying for their crimes?
Well, you do seem to demand human blood as your currency. Seems pretty fucking clear to me.
I remind you that
you pay for people's crimes. You invest in prisons. And your only return is knowing that someone will be executed or will die in prison. Human life is a tempting currency, isn't it?
In the meantime, if you don't like my opinion, you shouldn't ask for it. Why are you so shocked that someone doesn't share your disregard for the value of human life?
Well, call it what you want when you want - you and I both know who the real ones are that yearn to murder...
I call it a self-sustaining cycle of violence that cannot be broken as long as the righteous (e.g. proper society, crime victims, &c.) continue to muck around on the same level as the murderers.
I saw four kids on some news show last night. A pot deal gone awry. A guy who wasn't even in the room when the murder took place sentenced to 24 years in prison. Who had no idea what the crime was, who thought his buddies were buying a bag of dope. And you know what, the family of the drug-dealing thief who was the victim of this killing still aren't satisfied. However, they now get to support five juveniles for betweeen 9 and 24 years with tax money to the prisons, and when those 5 are out of prison, they will most likely be useless to society until they do something to get sent back to prison.
Watch people scream for the deaths of the accused. Watch them scream that life in prison isn't enough. Watch the convicted be set free 13 years later when it is proven that they are innocent. And then pause and wonder if Donald Trump will publicly apologize for buying newspaper space to declare that death wasn't good enough for these
children.
It happens too often in society. But I understand,
stRgrl that it makes you feel better if people are punished anyway, so why should we ever protect the innocent?
A friend of mine's little brother is now serving 10+ for murder. It really is a shame. Apparently operating under the influence of a head wound was not enough to convince judge and jury that it wasn't supposed to go that way. Of course, insofar as I can tell,
stRgrl, what he
should have done according to law was turn around and leave the two women he was defending to be sexually assaulted. Now, that's well and fine; the law in Oregon is absolutely screwed up on such points. However, what cracks me up about the whole morbid case is that the victim's parents sat there, shocked, hearing the testimony of witness after witness describing their son as a drug dealer, a guy who beat his women, a car thief, a rapist,
ad nauseam. It was a hard pill to swallow. And then they got up during the sentencing phase and proceeded to appeal to the court for a harsh sentence, because their son was an innocent, who never did anything wrong to anyone. The judge apparently nearly laughed at them, advised the convict that you just can't take justice into your own hands, and sentenced him to 10 years or so.
I'll tell you,
stRgrl, if I have to be shot in the head in order for my opinion to count to you, I'm not sure what respect I owe you. After all, insofar as I can tell, you're just another crime survivor who isn't finished calling attention to herself. Sorry about the past, woman, but stop taking it out on the present and the future. You'd think actual
justice would be important to someone like you, but all I can see in your words is that creeping bloodlust. You want people executed, you'll pay for it, but no, you have no bloodlust. Is that about right? You want people dead, you'll help bring it about, but yet, as you noted:
I am a die-hard supporter of the death penalty and I have never had the urge to kill someone.
Keep lying to yourself,
stRgrl, and maybe you can rejoice in a few more homicides before all is said and done.
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Tiassa