The Definition of God

[TruthSeeker]

Assume that the definition of God is the following:

"That which cannot be proven or disproven by means of logical reasoning."​

Two sides of the argument:
1) God exist
2) God does not exist

Pick a side.

Now... DEBATE!

:thumbsup:

 

[draqon]

#2

God does not exist because there is no proof sufficient enough to prove of God's existence

 

[TruthSeeker]

Are you trying to use logical reasoning....? :bugeye:

 

[draqon]

Are you trying to use logical reasoning....? :bugeye:

are you questioning the logic of my reasoning?

 

[TruthSeeker]

are you questioning the logic of my reasoning?

That's the problem. You are using logic. You are breaking the rules of the game.

 

[draqon]

That's the problem. You are using logic. You are breaking the rules of the game.

well were is your claim that questions of God cannot be proven or disproven by means of logic?

 

[TruthSeeker]

It's written in big letters on the first post. God cannot be proven or disproven by means of logical reasoning. Whatever you say must be not based on a logical argument.

 

[draqon]

It's written in big letters on the first post. God cannot be proven or disproven by means of logical reasoning. Whatever you say must be not based on a logical argument.

just because you wrote that statement in big bold letters does not mean it is a logical statement from which all other logical statements are irrelevant. Prove your statement!

 

[TruthSeeker]

just because you wrote that statement in big bold letters does not mean it is a logical statement from which all other logical statements are irrelevant. Prove your statement!

Oh man, you are stupid!

This is a GAME. The purpose of the game is to prove or disprove God without logical argumentation. I don't CARE if that is true or not. You must assume that to be true and go from there to play the game.

 

[draqon]

Oh man, you are stupid!

This is a GAME. The purpose of the game is to prove or disprove God without logical argumentation. I don't CARE if that is true or not. You must assume that to be true and go from there to play the game.

I am not stupid, I am ignorant...as you have claimed earlier.

Now ok...since this is a game and has nothing to do with reality of things than yes I shall play.

I am picking the side 1) why God exists

God exists because today when i looked up in the sky I saw beautifull birds fly by me wishing me luck in the upcoming day and as I passed the morning doves quitly gossiping in the rays of the azure sun I saw it there the true beauty of the Angel's wings touch upon the crescent young moon reflection within the calm cyan water of the nearby lake...how beautiful the angel was with the eyes of purity and sincerety the angel glanced at me and made me sing of the beautiful week that is to unfold before the dawn is set to touch the timid laughing children who dance around fields of flowers just beside us.

 

[TruthSeeker]

That's logical. It's a whole bunch of lies and non-sequiturs......


And an argument from ignorance...

 

[lightgigantic]

Assume that the definition of God is the following:

"That which cannot be proven or disproven by means of logical reasoning."​

Two sides of the argument:
1) God exist
2) God does not exist

Pick a side.

Now... DEBATE!

:thumbsup:

therefore you find that logic is not sufficient to establish god's existence

but logic can be called upon to bring one to the point of applying practices that enable one to establish god's existence

(IOW logic can be sufficient to bring one to the point of applying normative descriptions in scripture)

 

[kerux]

Isaiah 1:18

Assume that the definition of God is the following:

"That which cannot be proven or disproven by means of logical reasoning."​

Two sides of the argument:
1) God exist
2) God does not exist

Pick a side.

Now... DEBATE!

:thumbsup:

Biblically speaking, not ignorantly speaking, we come here to reason together (Isaiah 1:18). There are gods. Which god cannot be proven or disproven by means of logical reasoning.

On my Bible, particularly the derivation of John 1:1 in the new testament says, In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God and the Logos was God.

Any debate?

 

[geeser]

Assume that the definition of God is the following:

"That which cannot be proven or disproven by means of logical reasoning."​

and to further that reasoning Assume that this is also part of the definition

"That which can be proven by means of illogical reasoning."​

now we can debate.

here the first reasoning not using logic, thus proving with illogic, that god must exist
"God must exist, because if he didn't, then there wouldn't be a God to disbelieve in, in the first place."

 

[TruthSeeker]

So you are saying that the abscence of logical reasoning is necessarily illogical? Why? Couldn't there be something in between?

What I'm saying is... if something is not logical, is it nevessarily illogical? Or could it be something else?

 

[TruthSeeker]

"God must exist, because if he didn't, then there wouldn't be a God to disbelieve in, in the first place."

That's not illogical. It's perfectly logical. It's a fallacy (altough I can't figure out which one at the moment.... :scratchin: ). Why would you need a God to disbelieve in? It assumes that you need a God to believe in. It seems like a non-sequitur as well...



Here's a question for you. Is it possible to say something illogical?

 

[shichimenshyo]

Biblically speaking, not ignorantly speaking

Are you implying that anything that is not biblically spoken is ignorant? :bugeye:

 

[Reiku]

It's paradoxical this anyway. You cannot define God.

 

[shorty_37]

Definition of God..........

The "INVISIBLE MAN" lolol

 

[Reiku]

To define God, would be to know his mind, and know a unified theory of physics. We can't ever know this because of restrictions placed upon human knowledgable capabilities. It essentially goes beyond all logical and epistemological reasonings.