The death of "Modern Physics". Prepair it's funeral!

No problem with the simultaneity. In Relativity the same instant have different numerical time values measured in both referentials but related with the Lorentz Transform.
 
Which means, of course, that they don't agree that there is such an "instant", and that there is therefore no contradiction.
 
martillo:

Forget the twins for a moment and think just in two guys travelling in two space-ships. Suppose they have a relative velocity between them. May be both were accelerated for some time but now they are travelling at a constant velocity v between them.
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Firstly, you never stated if they were travelling away from each other or not. Secondly you never stated what reference frame were watching this little thought experiment of yours in.


Applying Relativity to them we will see that one is getting older than the other.
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Can you prove this? Calculations? Frames...etc?!

But we can freely choose the referential of one of the two guys as the first one.
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:bugeye:

For Relativity any referential is equivalent to study every phenomena of Nature.
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Yes, you can study every phenomena of nature from any reference frame, BUT, depending on on your speed and your frame things will look different. Its not a Contradition, its just a result of travelling at different speeds, etc...if you don't understand this then I doubt that you'll get very far with relativity.

If we choose the referential of one guy ass the first we will have that the other guy is getting YOUNGER while if we choose the other referential this guy is getting OLDER...
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ummmm, no....your confusing frames again. You can't switch frames back and forth in order to prove your point.

May be we as you said we must have an Absolute Referential to determine the truth but for Relativity this must not exist! We would go against Relativity trying to do this
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I tried to read this and it went something like this. :eek: :bugeye: Please try to explain by using proper english and grammer...

The Theory is wrong
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You haven't proven this. You have only shown that you don't understand some of the basic concepts of relativity.

Have a nice day
 
I have made a very well explanation for who has enough knowledge about Special Relativity issues.



Calculations? Frames...etc?!
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Make your own or aren't you capable? It's too easy.



ummmm, no....your confusing frames again. You can't switch frames back and forth in order to prove your point.
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Ofcourse I can. I'm considering the contradictory results of both frames.



You have only shown that you don't understand some of the basic concepts of relativity.
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I do.
 
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Sorry if this appears off topic but I really have no interest in reading this monolith of absurdity.

Anyway, I was just wondering if the "death of modern physics" meant that future physicists would call their collection of theories describing the universe something other than "modern physics".
 
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Which means, of course, that they don't agree that there is such an "instant", and that there is therefore no contradiction.
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Of course such instant exist. It's the same "thing" just seen by different frames!

The contradiction also exist.
 
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May be both were accelerated for some time but now they are travelling at a constant velocity v between them.... If we choose the referential of one guy ass the first we will have that the other guy is getting YOUNGER while if we choose the other referential this guy is getting OLDER...

Now that they are travelling at the same velocity, their clocks will tick at the same rate.

One does not 'get younger,' btw. Both will age, however the twin that has accelerated away will age slower than the one that remained.
 
Q,

May be you just don't pay attention...

I assume they do have some velocity relative to each other. It doesn't matter the direction.
Accordingly to Relativity if they have a relative velocity their time is different and one will get older and the other younger.
The problem is that depending simply in which referential we choose ( of one of the space-ships or the other one) the results are opposite. Always "the other guy" gets younger!

It's too obvious. No calculations are needed to see it.
 
Dilbert,

Anyone answers accordingly on how he was asked. It's a natural reaction.

But sometimes we didn't have a nice day...

You called me "a fool". May be I'm wasting my time.

You decide.
 
martillo said:
Q,

May be you just don't pay attention...

I assume they do have some velocity relative to each other. It doesn't matter the direction.
Accordingly to Relativity if they have a relative velocity their time is different and one will get older and the other younger.
The problem is that depending simply in which referential we choose ( of one of the space-ships or the other one) the results are opposite. Always "the other guy" gets younger!

It's too obvious. No calculations are needed to see it.
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Sure, but it's not reflective of observations. The observations and the theory both support that one's "rate of time" is always the same locally, but the present here isn't the present over there if over there is in another inertial reference frame. So your "assumption" is simply wrong, as demonstrated by observation of muons, the clock in orbit experiment, etc.

You seem to assume yourself a genius of the utmost caliber, when you obviously don't even understand that which you criticize. Further, you deny correction when your mistakes are demonstrated and corrected.

*sigh*

You are another MacM.
 
martillo said:
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Hearing at all of you I can understand how a Physic's LIE can survive for 100 years....You don't worry about what is RIGHT and what is WRONG. You really don't care about the truth. You simply read, memorize and repeat every wroten thing in every "pretty book" and behaves as you know it all (in a sarcastic style of course)....
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So do U feel alienated ?

Do U feel like U r living among Neanderthals ?

Do U think this is a Planet of arogant Apes ?

So what is the soultion of this human problem ?
 
Oooohhh!

I seem to assume I am a genius...

But you are one of those who really KNOW about all this ehhh?
 
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There is, you can never get an absolute value...it's different for everyone, everywhere, and at every speed.... :rolleyes:
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So do think that is the reason for different people having different theories. :p :D
 
Absolute motion is not possible ?

Yet speed of light remains constant for all observers ?

Forget the observer and speed of light is faster than speed of light, we have to devise a method to confirm this ?
 
Anomalous,

So what is the soultion of this human problem ?
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There's no fast solution. I believe it's about individuals attitude in front of some assertions and the attitude depends strongly in what everyone has learned and the questions we ask ourselves.

Have you realized that all this messages posted haven't took the owners more than a minute to think about the subject and write the answers?

But I know that not all that read the thread do that. There are some who really THINK. That's why I'm still posting.
 
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Anomalous,

Absolute motion is not possible ?

Yet speed of light remains constant for all observers ?

Forget the observer and speed of light is faster than speed of light, we have to devise a method to confirm this ?
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Please take a look on my web page: "A New Light in Physics"
You will have my answers to these questions and more!
 
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