The aquatic ape hypothesis was never crazy

Not true at all. That's one of the places they store their fat, just like humans. And humans have nothing like the blubber that true marine mammals have.

No, you're confusing it with adipose fat, or "belly fat". That the other apes have too for an energy reserve, but they don't have our subcutanous fat beneath the dermis in the skin. The subcutanous fat that serves to keep us warm in lieu of fur. Which is the common solution for mammals shedding their fur adapting to water.

Subcutaneous Fat | Human Uniqueness Compared to "Great Apes"

It's blubber. Of course it is. All else is semantics.
 
Why would length of time matter? The selective pressure was the same whether over 35 or 5 million years.
Did you check to see if hippo ancestors were EVER fur-covered? Since fqt, there is no connection between hairless hominds and hairless hippos. You're drawing an unwarranted parallel.




Just trying to keep the language at your level. "Waterside" seems to make you freak too.
Once again you confuse me with someone else. I have said nothing about waterside, never mind freaking about it.

I am beginning to doubt if you are discussing with me - or with someone else, perhaps someone made of straw.
 
Did you check to see if hippo ancestors were EVER fur-covered? Since fqt, there is no connection between hairless hominds and hairless hippos. You're drawing an unwarranted parallel.

Really? No connection at all? Loss of fur in mammals almost always having a connection to an aquatic lifestyle past or present is completely unwarranted as a parallel to human loss of fur? Even when coupled with that insulating skin fat bearing a strange resemblance to blubber? No analogy warranted? Because what, human beings are above the rules governing the tree of life as Darwin and Wallace stumbled on them? They don't need no stinking selective pressure, they can just evolve whatever they feel like at random?
 
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Really? No connection at all? Loss of fur in mammals almost always having a connection to an aquatic lifestyle past or present is completely unwarranted as a parallel to human loss of fur?
The hairlessness of hippos as little to do with their aquatic lifestyle - they are herbivores, and it doesn't take a lot of speed to hunt down a stand of aquatic grass. They are mostly sedentary, and need to eat relatively little, considering their body weight. In other words, efficiency and streamlining in swimming is simply not a strong driver for evolution.

The primary reason they are hairless is the same as for the other megafauna that hippos share the region with: elephants and rhinos. All three are huge, and all three are shackled by the square-cube law: an animal's mass is a cube function whereas its surface area is a square function. What that means is larger animals can't shed heat as efficiently as smaller animals.

The largest furred tropical mammal tops out at 800kg. Everything above that is furless. If the African behemoths - elephants, rhinos and hippos, all well above 2 tonnes - were fur/hair-covered, they'd overheat, even standing still.




That's not merely a comparison of superficial traits between disparate morphologies - such as you make between humans and hippos - that's a connection of physical properties, at the root cause driving all three: inescapable physics. The square-cube law is not conjecture; it is fact.

Don't be fooled by superfical similarities. Hippos and humans are not similar. Hippos, elephants and rhinos are - bio-physically - all in the same boat.
 
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The hairlessness of hippos as little to do with their aquatic lifestyle - they are herbivores, and it doesn't take a lot of speed to hunt down a stand of aquatic grass. They are mostly sedentary, and need to eat relatively little, considering their body weight. In other words, efficiency and streamlining in swimming is simply not a strong driver for evolution.

The primary reason they are hairless is the same as for the other megafauna that hippos share the region with: elephants and rhinos. All three are huge, and all three are shackled by the square-cube law: an animal's mass is a cube function whereas its surface area is a square function. What that means is larger animals can't shed heat as efficiently as smaller animals.

The largest furred tropical mammal tops out at 800kg. Everything above that is furless. If the African behemoths - elephants, rhinos and hippos, all well above 2 tonnes - were fur/hair-covered, they'd overheat, even standing still.




That's not merely a comparison of superficial traits between disparate morphologies - such as you make between humans and hippos - that's a connection of physical properties, at the root cause driving all three: inescapable physics. The square-cube law is not conjecture; it is fact.

Don't be fooled by superfical similarities. Hippos and humans are not similar. Hippos, elephants and rhinos are - bio-physically - all in the same boat.
Is he suggesting rhinos and elephants are semi-aquatic too?
 
The hairlessness of hippos as little to do with their aquatic lifestyle - they are herbivores, and it doesn't take a lot of speed to hunt down a stand of aquatic grass. They are mostly sedentary, and need to eat relatively little, considering their body weight. In other words, efficiency and streamlining in swimming is simply not a strong driver for evolution.

Bam, having to add assumptions. Wonderful use of Ockham, isn't it, darling?
("The hairlessness of hippos has little to do with their aquatic lifestyle..." Man actually said that.)

Look into hippo sweat. You might find the analogies to human sweat: Sunscreen and antibiotic.

The primary reason they are hairless is the same as for the other megafauna that hippos share the region with: elephants and rhinos. All three are huge, and all three are shackled by the square-cube law: an animal's mass is a cube function whereas its surface area is a square function. What that means is larger animals can't shed heat as efficiently as smaller animals.

So you don't know about the semiaquatic ancestry of both rhinos and elephants, then?

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Or the semiaquatic ancestry and behaviour of tapirs, suids and shrews?


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(Largest mammalian brain/body ratio, that one. Eating aquatic insects. DHA and iodine galore.)

You are not the only over-looked semiaquatic, sapiens.

The largest furred tropical mammal tops out at 800kg. Everything above that is furless. If the African behemoths - elephants, rhinos and hippos, all well above 2 tonnes - were fur/hair-covered, they'd overheat, even standing still.

Including 2 ton giraffes.

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Because it's a semiaquatic species. Picking brain-selective foods for two million years, growing its brain bigger and bigger. The only animal meat you can eat raw to this day and digest in full.
Not true. Humans are omnivores and have the digestive juices to eat raw meat. Cooking became prevalent for purposes of taste and reducing infectious or parasitic organisms.
 
No, you're confusing it with adipose fat, or "belly fat". That the other apes have too for an energy reserve, but they don't have our subcutanous fat beneath the dermis in the skin. The subcutanous fat that serves to keep us warm in lieu of fur. Which is the common solution for mammals shedding their fur adapting to water.
Humans evolved SC fat for other reasons as they moved out into subtropical savannahs.



Comparison of the body composition of P. paniscus with the body composition of H. sapiens helps elucidate the human body’s evolutionary history. The savanna mosaic with mixed vegetation, seasonal rainfall, and fluctuating food availability presented challenges for evolving hominins. Habitual bipedal locomotion and an increase in daily travel allowed early hominins to forage more broadly over terrestrial landscapes, even with limited shade. The combinations of habitat, caloric, reproductive, and health-related selective pressures acted on body components of fat, muscle, and skin.
In the changing environment, different body tissues adapted in particular ways. Increased ability to store fat in both females and males served as a buffer during seasonal fluctuations and unpredictable food resources. For females, storing fat enhanced effective pregnancy and lactation to nourish larger brained infants without extended developmental periods. Decreased muscularity accompanied the new method of locomotion. Muscle redistributed to the hip and thigh for efficient bipedalism. Reorganized and reduced skin tissue evolved to facilitate heat dissipation, cellular protection, and immune function.
 
Not true. Humans are omnivores and have the digestive juices to eat raw meat.

And that's why you still have leftovers of that burger you ate in 1992 in your colon. The one you had to burn before you could digest any its nutrients. While hominin use of fire cannot be confirmed older than 780,000 years, and their brain had its major growth spurt starting 2 million years ago.

Cooking became prevalent for purposes of taste and reducing infectious or parasitic organisms.

No, that was because you can't digest terrestrial fauna proteine otherwise. While you pay extra in seaside restaurants to gobble down them prawns straight out of the sea.
 
Humans evolved SC fat for other reasons as they moved out into subtropical savannahs.

Which is why savannah baboons evolved the same thing. No, wait...

Phillip Tobias declared the savannah hypothesis dead in 1995. It has been obsolete for thirty years. Apart from being no fossil evidence to back it up, there are no grassland analogies at all for this odd human solution to be found anywhere else in the mammalian class. Hardy and Morgan's beach apes are founded in such analogies. Piles of them.
 
I swear I did not go looking for this. It popped up spontaneously on physicsforums.com.

Human vs Animals Ultramarathon (100km)

This video features a 100km ultramarathon race between animals and humans, revealing unexpected results. Previously, we showcased a 500-meter sprint where the cheetah triumphed. Here, we focus on long-distance efficiency.

We calculated each animal's time, factoring in rest, hydration, and feeding, using five reliable sources, including three research papers.

It's important to note that such a race has never [been documented] due to the complexities of animal behavior. While there have been many 35km races between humans and horses, horses have always emerged victorious.

Human efficiency is key in long distances, shaped by millions of years of evolution for hunting and migration. Our upright posture has allowed us to develop tools and improve our legs and feet for running. Human feet, with their unique arches, are designed for long-distance running.

Additionally, our superior sweating system helps us regulate heat during intense exercise, preventing overheating—a challenge for fur-covered animals.

Genetics influence endurance, but training and conditioning play a significant role in enhancing it. Watch this animation and find out which one of these amazing creatures comes out first!



This is merely a visualization, not to be taken as compelling, although it is based on the data from several relaible sources and research papers.

(I expect CE will reject this with some reference to communist sheeple and Galilaean inquisitions or some such vague paranoia. But the hallmark of a zealot is that they will reject all contrary evidence, no matter how much is available, in favour of their pet hypothesis.)
 
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