The 9/11 Conspiracy Thread
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FieryIce said:Vera, it seems some French investigators have also shown clearly that there was no plane involved in the Pentagon explosion.
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
Amazing. So what about the guy I know who lives in DC that saw it happen?
It's only a conspiracy when you don't know anything about it, and have to get all your information off the internet. If you actually knew anybody who was anywhere near at the time, you'd know it happened just like everybody says it did.
These events took place in major cities, and were well observed, by real people. All that site has managed to dredge up are a couple of misguided eye witnesses out of the tens of thousands that were there that day, and some bad footage
I see no-one wants to comment on why the windows aren't visible, have we debunked that one ? Conspiracy nuts got no answer?
Other points raised on the web site are that jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to damage to the concrete of the WTC enough. That is plain BS. Check out some studies done on tunnel fires, where there has been limited oxygen, and far less fuel (just the fuel in the trucks involved,and their flammable cargo). In these cases, temperatures reached 2,200degF, and the _melting point_ of concrete is 2,700degF, and therefore concrete suffers serious loss of structural integrity well before it melts, and some parts would be come hot enough to melt (think about a pan of water, you see steam before the whole contents are at 100degC don't you? Some water molecules get to evaporate, before the _whole_ is at boiling point, it's a statistical distrubution of energy thing, go read a physics book). Concrete would suffer cracking from differential heating and expansion, exposing the metal superstructure, which is steel, which melts at 2,500degF, and again, would lose structual integrity far before this point.
In the WTC, the planes were carrying around 11,000 gallons of fuel, and there was a plentiful air supply. Ir would have been sucked along every stairway, ventilation shaft and opening, to fan the flames. It was hot in the there, easily hot enough to cause the damage that we saw.
So, that one is easily debunked too. Got anything credible?
Theres something your missing about the structure, the WTC buildings were notorious for their engineering design since they were mostly made up of Glass and Aluminium. Aluminium was used because the buildings weight would have been too much if made from other materials. As you should all know Aluminium has a relatively low melting point which meant as soon as a fire took hold the building lost structural integraty.
Even if the concrete was load bearing, it would still have suffered from the loss of stability since the aluminium beams would have generated the overall structure to keep the load on the concrete beams.
As its been mentioned, It happened, it was seen and pretending it didn't isn't going to mean it never happened. It's all very well to point the finger as to why it happened and suggest other reasons for its occurance but it doesn't change the event. (Mearly adds to the causality of why the event occured)
Even if the concrete was load bearing, it would still have suffered from the loss of stability since the aluminium beams would have generated the overall structure to keep the load on the concrete beams.
As its been mentioned, It happened, it was seen and pretending it didn't isn't going to mean it never happened. It's all very well to point the finger as to why it happened and suggest other reasons for its occurance but it doesn't change the event. (Mearly adds to the causality of why the event occured)
did u guys know the day of sept 11 2001 pentagon officials were conducting mock evacuation excercises of a plane crashing into the pentagon. FACT.
did u know alot of Top Officials canceled their flights that day ? FACT.
did u know alot of Top Officials canceled their flights that day ? FACT.
you can't simple say something is a fact without providing evidence to prove it, for example paperwork from the pentagon showing that "mock evacuation excercises of a plane crashing into the pentagon" were actually happening on that day, ect
antisipatience said:
So instead of providing support for the arguments I've debunked, you're just going to make more allegations?
Right, here's a quick debunking of you 'evacuation' theory. All the pentagon had to do, was hit the fire alarm _before_ the conspiracy plane (are you saying it _did_ or _didn't_ crash into the Pentagon, btw) hit, and they would have minimised casualties.
Or are you saying there was some other purpose for the practice evacuation? Why practice anyway?
And yes, I bet a lot of top officials did cancel their flights on Sept 11th, considering, that the entire nation's airspace was shut down after the events that morning. Are you saying they cancelled _before_, because you haven't actually said that.
So, learn to construct meaningful sentences, come back with a fully supported argument, and we'll get back to you.
they cancelled their flights before.
they were conducting mock excercises that morning before the plane hit.
i dont doubt the plane actually hit. but its not all cracked up to be what they say.
how about this fact;
the black boxes of some of the planes were supposedly destroyed? YET, they found a "terrorists" passport there, almost in perfect condition ?
here you go chump;
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That, on the morning of September 11, 2001: standard procedures and policies at the nation's air defense and aviation bureaucracies were ignored, and communications were delayed; the black boxes of the planes that hit the WTC were destroyed, but hijacker Mohammed Atta's passport was found in pristine condition; high-ranking Pentagon officers had cancelled their commercial flight plans for that morning; George H.W. Bush was meeting in Washington with representatives of Osama bin Laden's family, and other investors in the world's largest private equity firm, the Carlyle Group; the CIA was conducting a previously-scheduled mock exercise of an airliner hitting the Pentagon; the chairs of both the House and Senate Intelligence Committees were having breakfast with the chief of Pakistan's intelligence agency, who resigned a week later on suspicion of involvement in the 9/11 attacks; and the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the United States sat in a second grade classroom for 20 minutes after hearing that a second plane had struck the towers, listening to children read a story about a goat, is not "theoretical." These are facts.
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by the way, im not trying to 'argue' anything, just trying to open your blind eyes.
they were conducting mock excercises that morning before the plane hit.
i dont doubt the plane actually hit. but its not all cracked up to be what they say.
how about this fact;
the black boxes of some of the planes were supposedly destroyed? YET, they found a "terrorists" passport there, almost in perfect condition ?
here you go chump;
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That, on the morning of September 11, 2001: standard procedures and policies at the nation's air defense and aviation bureaucracies were ignored, and communications were delayed; the black boxes of the planes that hit the WTC were destroyed, but hijacker Mohammed Atta's passport was found in pristine condition; high-ranking Pentagon officers had cancelled their commercial flight plans for that morning; George H.W. Bush was meeting in Washington with representatives of Osama bin Laden's family, and other investors in the world's largest private equity firm, the Carlyle Group; the CIA was conducting a previously-scheduled mock exercise of an airliner hitting the Pentagon; the chairs of both the House and Senate Intelligence Committees were having breakfast with the chief of Pakistan's intelligence agency, who resigned a week later on suspicion of involvement in the 9/11 attacks; and the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the United States sat in a second grade classroom for 20 minutes after hearing that a second plane had struck the towers, listening to children read a story about a goat, is not "theoretical." These are facts.
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by the way, im not trying to 'argue' anything, just trying to open your blind eyes.
and i bet you think the War in Iraq is about terrorism.
you are just making claims we need proof of these things!
To the cesspool.
antisipatience said:
Who? Where's the evidence?
Where's the evidence?
Good, I'm glad you agree the plane did hit, as it was witnessed.
It's not that surprising. The black boxes of the Pennysylvania and Pentagon crashes were recovered, because those planes crashed fairly normally. The planes that hit the WTC however, burned up, and the flight recorders were not desined to withstand that. As for the passport, I'm haing trouble finding a reputable information source to back up that story. so far, I can only find that story on conspiracy sites, not news sites. Have you got a link to a reputable news source? CNN, someone like that?
If you don't cite your sources they are meaningless. I presume you got this off some conspiracy web page?
I'm not blind. I'm not gullible either.
those planes crashed normally ?? what the fuck does that mean, for a plane to crash normal ? geez you guys are really confused.
and its appearant because you guys hail CNN as the Truth.
you guys dont think for yourselves, you let the Media do that for you.
*a side note* you guys know the hurricanes that hit florida ? "CNN" and other MEdia Outlets claim a low # of people died, like 30 or something. Did you know that the REAL DEATH TOLL is OVER 400 ??? you chumps will swallow whatever Big Brother feeds you like fucking spoonfed babies!!!
all i can say is look for information, and think for your damn selves !
antisipatience said:
I said 'fairly normally' actually, and that means, impact into terrain, the most likely type of air crash. The wreckage was allowed to spread, and the fire was not contained. Aircraft fuel has an anti-misting agent in to help prevent fires from starting if they crash 'normally', however, this is a subtle effect and cannot prevent fires when aircraft are crashed into buildings.
You didn't respond to the fact that the recorders from the two 'normal' crashes have been found, nor whether you expect a recorder to be able to survive heat in excess of 2000 degrees.
You haven't listed any evidence to support your claims for cancelled flights, or the intact passport having been found either.
At least that would be a named, verifiable source, rather than a bunch of conspiracy web pages! You seem to have missed the point though, that I have have friends who live in both NYC and DC who witnessed these events. How do you get around that?
Conspiracy web pages are still media, kid.
onlinejournal is not a conspiracy "web page"
if you people had the brains to conduct your own searches instead of being spoonfed the MAINSTREAM Media (i had to re-word Media for one incompetant reader) then maybe you'd get a glimpse of the true nature of our twisted reality. of course, like in electronics, people (like currents) will always choose the path of least resistance (just take CNN's word for it)
heres links regarding the horrible hurricane disasters. just like some of you keep screaming your friends saw the planes hit the buildings (which i dont deny) - these people have witnessed the tragic truths of florida;
http://www.karenlyster.com/andrew.html
http://www.rense.com/general56/worst.htm
this is the most detailed account;
http://www.rense.com/general56/eekk.htm
pray for florida, and pray for peace
if you people had the brains to conduct your own searches instead of being spoonfed the MAINSTREAM Media (i had to re-word Media for one incompetant reader) then maybe you'd get a glimpse of the true nature of our twisted reality. of course, like in electronics, people (like currents) will always choose the path of least resistance (just take CNN's word for it)
heres links regarding the horrible hurricane disasters. just like some of you keep screaming your friends saw the planes hit the buildings (which i dont deny) - these people have witnessed the tragic truths of florida;
http://www.karenlyster.com/andrew.html
http://www.rense.com/general56/worst.htm
this is the most detailed account;
http://www.rense.com/general56/eekk.htm
pray for florida, and pray for peace
From the source of your first link:
NEXUS is an international bi-monthly alternative news magazine, covering the fields of: Health Alternatives; Suppressed Science; Earth's Ancient Past; UFOs & the Unexplained; and Government Cover-Ups.
NEXUS is an international bi-monthly alternative news magazine, covering the fields of: Health Alternatives; Suppressed Science; Earth's Ancient Past; UFOs & the Unexplained; and Government Cover-Ups.
So all the media whether they be left or right wing or in whatever country colluded to cover this up. Did they all convene and decide this or are they all controlled by the great lizards in the sky. What precisely what every single news organisation have to gain out of this. Yet against this house of lies there is one onlinejournal spouting conspiracies backed up with no reliable evidence.antisipatience said: