oh really? Sam, honestly this is a deluded viewpoint. Are you trying to convince others or just yourself?
Taliban flee battle using children as shields: NATO
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oh really? Sam, honestly this is a deluded viewpoint. Are you trying to convince others or just yourself?
Did too.
Was not.
Is the Supreme Court supposed to interfere with elections? That's a new one to me.
Al Gore did win. Also, the system which Republicans claimed was so flawed...they haven't changed it.
Buffalo Roam
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samcdkey
Really, I think we are fairly smart to get other country to carry our dept, if we go bankrupt how are they going to collect? Remember most of the gold reserves are stored in the U.S.
Your opinion, proof required.
Really, I think we are fairly smart to get other country to carry our dept, if we go bankrupt how are they going to collect? Remember most of the gold reserves are stored in the U.S.
Exhibit A: Iraq.
Buffalo Roam: "Your opinion, proof required.... Remember most of the gold reserves are stored in the U.S."
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SamCDKey:
Afghanistan harboured, supplied, and aided the men behind the September 11th attacks. This was an attack that purposefully targetted our civilians and cost billions of dollars in damage, as well as permanently altering the landscape of New York City, causing thousands of reported cases of lung damage, and nearly blew up our centre of defense.
Frankly, Afghanistan is lucky that the United States does not sterilize the country.
Every man, woman, and child could be easily killed by the United States. In fact, it would cost far less.
But we are a humane country that follows the rules of war. Our civilian killing is unintended consequences of the necessities of war. Unlike the Taliban, we follow the Geneva Convention, and your CONTINUED support of the Taliban is both sickening and absurd.
SamCDKey, you are an extremist and continually making a mockery out of yourself on this board and, presumably, elsewhere.
Saddam Hussein was one of the most brutal dictators of the last 50 years. Are you suggesting that America should not have acted against him when he had the chance? Moreover, we had reliable intelligence that proved to be false. That is how intelligence works - it's intelligent guess work. Nonetheless, we've removed a horrible man that committed acts of savagery unknown to the modern world.
Would you care for me to link some Saddam Hussein torture videos to you? I am certain I can find them.
Here's another question that I am certain you will dodge, being the duplicitious thread-hijacker that you are increasingly becoming:
What level of moral censure do you believe Saddam Hussein deserved?
Afghanistan harboured, supplied, and aided the men behind the September 11th attacks. This was an attack that purposefully targetted our civilians and cost billions of dollars in damage, as well as permanently altering the landscape of New York City, causing thousands of reported cases of lung damage, and nearly blew up our centre of defense.
Frankly, Afghanistan is lucky that the United States does not sterilize the country.
Every man, woman, and child could be easily killed by the United States. In fact, it would cost far less.
But we are a humane country that follows the rules of war. Our civilian killing is unintended consequences of the necessities of war. Unlike the Taliban, we follow the Geneva Convention, and your CONTINUED support of the Taliban is both sickening and absurd.
SamCDKey, you are an extremist and continually making a mockery out of yourself on this board and, presumably, elsewhere.
Saddam Hussein was one of the most brutal dictators of the last 50 years. Are you suggesting that America should not have acted against him when he had the chance? Moreover, we had reliable intelligence that proved to be false. That is how intelligence works - it's intelligent guess work. Nonetheless, we've removed a horrible man that committed acts of savagery unknown to the modern world.
Would you care for me to link some Saddam Hussein torture videos to you? I am certain I can find them.
Here's another question that I am certain you will dodge, being the duplicitious thread-hijacker that you are increasingly becoming:
What level of moral censure do you believe Saddam Hussein deserved?
SamCDKey:
Beacuse we supported the Muhajideen (should not every Moslem in the world automatically be kissing our asses for this, by the way?) against the Soviets in the 80's (who were committing an act of aggressive war against a sovereign nation which was committing no human rights abuses nor was a security concern to the U.S.S.R.) we do not automatically support them 20 years later, when they are training, supplying, and harbouring the terrorists that murdered a portion of our populace on our sovereign land.
Your tired usage of the "but America supported them in the 80's" is a straw man fallacy which enshrines you as an increasingly ridiculous figure.
Wonderful, a quote from 1948.
More strawmen.
Why don't you come out and say it: You only view the United States as evil and none of these other men?
Once again you have dodged the question. How predictable.
Beacuse we supported the Muhajideen (should not every Moslem in the world automatically be kissing our asses for this, by the way?) against the Soviets in the 80's (who were committing an act of aggressive war against a sovereign nation which was committing no human rights abuses nor was a security concern to the U.S.S.R.) we do not automatically support them 20 years later, when they are training, supplying, and harbouring the terrorists that murdered a portion of our populace on our sovereign land.
Your tired usage of the "but America supported them in the 80's" is a straw man fallacy which enshrines you as an increasingly ridiculous figure.
Wonderful, a quote from 1948.
More strawmen.
Why don't you come out and say it: You only view the United States as evil and none of these other men?
Once again you have dodged the question. How predictable.
Those dictators supported have been going on from 1948 until the present day Sauds, a continuous uninterrupted policy.
The US currently supports the Northern Alliance (which is fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan).
Do you know who the Northern Alliance used to be?
The games are still going on.
Well, she's/he's said that in about a gazillion different ways, in a gazillion different posts, I don't know why there should be any question about it. Oh, and that extends to her/his ideas about Israel, too.
I wonder what India supported since the British left? Do you suppose she/he holds India equally responsible for things that India did 20-30 years ago?
In fact, I sure would like to see someone who's adept at Googling stuff would start doing some threads about the wonderful, special place we call India. Just to see how well she/he can take such criticism of her/his own nation???
Baron Max
SamCDKey:
Why should we have a problem with the Northern Alliance? Simply because the crazed idiots in the Taliban and them schismed from the same group, this does not imply they are the same anymore than saying Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity are the same.
Similarly, American policies in regards to dictators generally are matters of anti-Communism. You know, the belief system that has killed 200 million people int he last 90 years?
Why should we have a problem with the Northern Alliance? Simply because the crazed idiots in the Taliban and them schismed from the same group, this does not imply they are the same anymore than saying Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity are the same.
Similarly, American policies in regards to dictators generally are matters of anti-Communism. You know, the belief system that has killed 200 million people int he last 90 years?
Baron Max:
We should hire us a searcher.
We should hire us a searcher.
Umm the Taliban (funded by the US Saudi Arabia and Pakistan) was fighting the Northern Alliance (funded by the USSR).
Now, the US is supporting the NA against the Taliban (cause they're such extremists! duh!)
The irony is mind boggling.
SamCDKey:
Evidently, you do not read the links you produce?
The United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan (UIF, Jabha-yi Muttahid-i Islami-yi Milli bara-yi Nijat-i Afghanistan), also known as the Northern Alliance (term used by the Western media, Taliban and Al-Qaeda), was a military-political umbrella organization of the Mujahideen who had defeated the Communist government and fought against the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.
The organization united various Afghan groups fighting against each other to fight the Taliban instead.
The USSR never supported them. Russia, however, following the collapse of the USSR, did give some funds.
Evidently, you do not read the links you produce?
The United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan (UIF, Jabha-yi Muttahid-i Islami-yi Milli bara-yi Nijat-i Afghanistan), also known as the Northern Alliance (term used by the Western media, Taliban and Al-Qaeda), was a military-political umbrella organization of the Mujahideen who had defeated the Communist government and fought against the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.
The organization united various Afghan groups fighting against each other to fight the Taliban instead.
The USSR never supported them. Russia, however, following the collapse of the USSR, did give some funds.
Both USSR and India were supporting the Northern Alliance against the Taliban. This is old history for us.
Try reading the link further:
Russia != USSR.
Apparently you are unaware of a little thing we call "the fall of the Berlin Wall"?
Or how about the "break up of the Soviet Bloc"?
Apparently you are unaware of a little thing we call "the fall of the Berlin Wall"?
Or how about the "break up of the Soviet Bloc"?
Bells
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Ok. I am sorry but as unfunny that statement actually is, I found myself laughing hysterically upon reading it.
Maybe it is the fact that I have had a bit of a hard time these last few days with my pregnancy and I am just so damn tired that most things either make me laugh or cry, but PJ, you have made me laugh.
Maybe your statement would be considered truth if it weren't for the vile happenings in Iraq, committed by US soldiers, and committed on purpose and with intent to cause harm to innocent civilians. I am reminded firstly of the family that was killed by a pack of US soldiers, who after a few drinks and 'dares' decided to go down to a family's home, gang rape the teenage daughter and then slaughter the whole family and set them on fire to hide the truth. I am also reminded of the horrors of the US run prisons in Iraq, where prisoners were treated under nothing that could even come close to the Geneva Convention. I am reminded of the other crimes committed by some US soldiers against civilians to fulfil their own sick need to see people suffer. I am reminded of Gitmo, where prisoners are held without charge and without any rights that would have been afforded to them had they fallen under the Geneva Convention. You insult the Geneva Convention and the very definition of 'humane' by insinuating that you actually follow one and fall under the banner of the other.
No where in the Geneva convention or under any definition of 'humane' can the behaviour of some in the US military be defined. In fact, the Geneva Convention was created to protect against the behaviour we have been witness to by some in the US military and others. When you live in a glass house PJ, the last thing you should do is throw stones.
Don't get me wrong, it would ideal if what you said was actually the truth. But we all know it is not and you are fooling yourself if you think it is.
Geoff
Heh!
You know what I meant.
Although my husband has hidden behind me (heavily pregnant and slow moving at the moment) when our son thought it would be "fun" to throw fistful of his dinner at us at the dinner table. I must admit I was not as amused as my husband and my son when I picked the pasta out of my hair afterwards. Had I known that having children would have me bear witness to the evolutionary stages of man, I would have been more cautious. I think we are now at the primate 'throwing' stage with our son. Lord help us when he gets to the smearing his poo on the wall stage of 'evolution'.
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