Taliban flee battle using children as shields: NATO

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samcdkey sorry sam I thought I had already covered the WWII collusion of the kingdoms of the middle east with the Nazi Regime, and their co-operating in providing safe haven for on the run Nazi's escaping justice after WWII.
 
spidergoat, some times you have to show the volume of terrorism that has been created by the Islamic terrorist to have a effect, sam like to claim and you, to that we started all of the problems, all I was showing was that there is a long history of Islamic terrorism, that go back for decades before we ever decided to react, yes it is a impressive list of terrorism that has been compiled by our Moslem Brethren, and it is still growing.

Most of those are unrelated, and many of them aren't even Muslims.

Please provide a link as per forum rules regarding extensive quoting of text.
 
This is what I call plain speaking. By an American, too.

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, a retired Lieutenant Colonel from the USA Air Force, in an open letter to the USA President, George W Bush (2001):

"We are not hated because we practice democracy, freedom, and human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in third world countries whose resources are coveted by our multinational corporations. And that hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism..."

"We are the target of terrorists because we stand for dictatorship, bondage, and human exploitation in the world. We are the target of terrorists because we are hated. And we are hated because our government has done hateful things. In how many countries have we deposed popularly elected leaders and replaced them with puppet military dictators who were willing to sell out their own people to American multinational corporations?"

"We did it in Iran when we deposed Mossadegh because he wanted to nationalize the oil industry. We replaced him with the Shah, and trained, armed, and paid his hated Savak national guard, which enslaved and brutalized the people of Iran. All to protect the financial interests of our oil companies. Is it any wonder there are people in Iran who hate us?"

"We did it in Chile when we deposed Allende, democratically elected by the people to introduce socialism. We replaced him with the brutal right-wing military dictator, General Pinochet. Chile has still not recovered."

"We did it in Vietnam when we thwarted democratic elections in the South which would have united the country under Ho Chi Minh. We replaced him with a series of ineffectual puppet crooks who invited us to come in and slaughter their people, and we did. (I flew 101 combat missions in that war....)"

"We did it in Iraq, where we killed a quarter of a million civilians in a failed attempt to topple Saddam Hussein, and where we have killed a million since then with our sanctions. About half of these innocent victims have been children under the age of five."

"And, of course, how many times have we done it in Nicaragua and all the other banana republics of Latin America? Time after time we have ousted popular leaders who wanted the riches of the land to be shared by the people who worked it. We replaced them with murderous tyrants who would sell out and control their own people so that the wealth of the land could be taken out by Domino Sugar, the United Fruit Company, Folgers, and Chiquita Banana."

"In country after country, our government has thwarted democracy, stifled freedom, and trampled human rights. That's why we are hated around the world. And that's why we are the target of terrorists."

"People in Canada enjoy better democracy, more freedom, and greater human rights than we do. So do the people of Norway and Sweden. Have you heard of Canadian embassies being bombed? Or Norwegian embassies? Or Swedish embassies. No. We are not hated because we practice democracy, freedom, and human rights."

"Instead of sending our sons and daughters around the world to kill Arabs so the oil companies can sell the oil under their sand, we must send them to rebuild their infrastructure, supply clean water, and feed starving children. Instead of continuing to kill thousands of Iraqi children every day with our sanctions, we must help them rebuild their electric power plants, their water treatment facilities, their hospitals; all the things we destroyed in our war against them and prevented them from rebuilding with our sanctions."

"Instead of seeking to be king of the hill, we must become a responsible member of the family of nations. Instead of stationing hundreds of thousands of troops around the world to protect the financial interests of our multinational corporations, we must bring them home and expand the Peace Corps. Instead of training terrorists and death squads in the techniques of torture and assassination, we must close the School of the Americas (no matter what name they use). Instead of supporting military dictatorships, we must support true democracy; the right of the people to choose their own leaders. Instead of supporting insurrection, destabilization, assassination, and terror around the world, we must abolish the CIA and give the money to relief agencies."

"In short, we do good instead of evil. We become the good guys, once again."

"The threat of terrorism would vanish. That is what the American people need to hear. We are good people. We only need to be told the truth and given the vision. You can do it, Mr. President. Stop the killing. Stop the justifying. Stop the retaliating. Put people first. Tell them the truth."

So is this guy a paid propagandist for AL-Qaeda?
 
It's probably hopeless at this point, but I'll make an attempt to post something on-topic, if that's ok with you guys. I hate to disappoint, but this article actually contains something about Afghanistan, and to the dismay of most of you i'm sure, it's not all bad news.

KABUL - Political "complications" have stopped Afghan and NATO troops from using force to end the seizure of a small town by Taliban fighters more than two weeks ago, the defence minister said.

The government wants to negotiate the departure of Taliban rebels from the southern town of Musa Qala, to avoid civilian casualties.

But an elder involved in the talks has said the fighters, who took the town more than two weeks ago, have refused attempts at talks.

"From day one the ANA (Afghan National Army) was ready (to) launch operations together with ISAF forces, but because of political complications, negotiations that were suggested by the governor, we have waited," Defence Minister Rahim Wardak said.

"We will be continuing to observe developments in Musa Qala but whenever the time is right and we get the approval of the political authorities, we'll launch an operation," he told reporters in the capital.


http://www.e-ariana.com/ariana/eariana.nsf/allDocs/B46C09BA0C3E51F787257283006025DE?OpenDocument
 
samcdkey sorry sam I thought I had already covered the WWII collusion of the kingdoms of the middle east with the Nazi Regime, and their co-operating in providing safe haven for on the run Nazi's escaping justice after WWII.

These Nazis?

The following USA companies had supplied arms and equipment to the regime of Nazi Germany:

* ITT Corporation provided radio and telecommunications.
* IBM provided the computer technology (punch cards) used to racially classify the German population. The company stationed staff at each extermination camp. The five digit numbers tattooed on prisoners were IBM codes.
* Ford Motor Company. The founder of the company was a prominent supporter of the Nazis.
* General Motors.
* DuPont.
* Standard Oil.
* Davis Oil Company.
* Chase National Bank.
* Coca Cola: the company executive in Germany was appointed Adminitrator of Soft Drinks Production by the Nazis. Because the cola syrup was unavailable, a new product was produced: Fanta.

Many German companies benefited under the Nazis: Bertelsmann (the world's largest publisher - published Nazi propaganda used Jewish slave labour), Deutsche Bank (expropriated Jewish owned property and built the death camp at Auschwitz in Poland where 1,500,000 people died), Degussa (a precious metals company which admitted melting down gold taken from concentration camp victims), Siemens (the electronic company that used over 50,000 slave workers), Daimler (slave labour - paid out nearly $10,000,000 in compensation in the 1980s), Volkswagon (slave labour).

The Nazi regime had discriminated against and killed Jews and other ethnic groups because it had considered northern Europeans to be a superior race. The USA Chargé d'Affairs in Berlin had stated that hope for Germany lay in "the more moderate section of the [Nazi] party which appeals to all civilised and reasonable people".

The USA had also supported and funded the Fascist regime of Benito Mussolini in Italy saying that "all patriotic Italians hunger for strong leadership and enjoy being dramatically governed". The USA State Department had said that "Fascism is becoming the soul of Italy, [having] brought order out of chaos, discipline out of licence, and solvency out of bankruptcy. To accomplish so much in a short time severe measures have been necessary".

At the end of the War, many European Fascists are supported and re-instated by the USA and its West European allies. Many prominent Nazis are taken to the USA to work for the Americans: Reinhard Gehlen (spymaster), Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (SS officers implicated in the massacre of Jews), Klaus Barbie (killer of many in the French city of Lyon), Otto von Bolschwing (mastermind of the holocaust against the Jews), and Otto Skorzeny (SS leader and friend of Nazi leader, Adolf Hitler).
 
It's probably hopeless at this point, but I'll make an attempt to post something on-topic, if that's ok with you guys. I hate to disappoint, but this article actually contains something about Afghanistan, and to the dismay of most of you i'm sure, it's not all bad news.

KABUL - Political "complications" have stopped Afghan and NATO troops from using force to end the seizure of a small town by Taliban fighters more than two weeks ago, the defence minister said.

The government wants to negotiate the departure of Taliban rebels from the southern town of Musa Qala, to avoid civilian casualties.

But an elder involved in the talks has said the fighters, who took the town more than two weeks ago, have refused attempts at talks.

"From day one the ANA (Afghan National Army) was ready (to) launch operations together with ISAF forces, but because of political complications, negotiations that were suggested by the governor, we have waited," Defence Minister Rahim Wardak said.

"We will be continuing to observe developments in Musa Qala but whenever the time is right and we get the approval of the political authorities, we'll launch an operation," he told reporters in the capital.


http://www.e-ariana.com/ariana/eariana.nsf/allDocs/B46C09BA0C3E51F787257283006025DE?OpenDocument

What political complications?

PS You can ask the mod of the forum to delete off topic posts in your thread. Either that or quit talking while we're interrupting.

PPS. Sorry, I always get carried away, its a personality defect.
 
samcdkey

“ The following USA companies had supplied arms and equipment to the regime of Nazi Germany:

* ITT Corporation provided radio and telecommunications.
* IBM provided the computer technology (punch cards) used to racially classify the German population. The company stationed staff at each extermination camp. The five digit numbers tattooed on prisoners were IBM codes.
* Ford Motor Company. The founder of the company was a prominent supporter of the Nazis.
* General Motors.
* DuPont.
* Standard Oil.
* Davis Oil Company.
* Chase National Bank.
* Coca Cola: the company executive in Germany was appointed Adminitrator of Soft Drinks Production by the Nazis. Because the cola syrup was unavailable, a new product was produced: Fanta.

Many German companies benefited under the Nazis: Bertelsmann (the world's largest publisher - published Nazi propaganda used Jewish slave labour), Deutsche Bank (expropriated Jewish owned property and built the death camp at Auschwitz in Poland where 1,500,000 people died), Degussa (a precious metals company which admitted melting down gold taken from concentration camp victims), Siemens (the electronic company that used over 50,000 slave workers), Daimler (slave labour - paid out nearly $10,000,000 in compensation in the 1980s), Volkswagon (slave labour).

The Nazi regime had discriminated against and killed Jews and other ethnic groups because it had considered northern Europeans to be a superior race. The USA Chargé d'Affairs in Berlin had stated that hope for Germany lay in "the more moderate section of the [Nazi] party which appeals to all civilised and reasonable people".

The USA had also supported and funded the Fascist regime of Benito Mussolini in Italy saying that "all patriotic Italians hunger for strong leadership and enjoy being dramatically governed". The USA State Department had said that "Fascism is becoming the soul of Italy, [having] brought order out of chaos, discipline out of licence, and solvency out of bankruptcy. To accomplish so much in a short time severe measures have been necessary".

At the end of the War, many European Fascists are supported and re-instated by the USA and its West European allies. Many prominent Nazis are taken to the USA to work for the Americans: Reinhard Gehlen (spymaster), Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (SS officers implicated in the massacre of Jews), Klaus Barbie (killer of many in the French city of Lyon), Otto von Bolschwing (mastermind of the holocaust against the Jews), and Otto Skorzeny (SS leader and friend of Nazi leader, Adolf Hitler). ”

The operative word is (Had) supplied, most of those companies were already in Germany doing business with the Weimar Republic, a embargo was placed in effect before WWII started, cutting off the Nazi's from being supplied, and after the embargo was in place the Nazi's nationalized those industries that were in Germany, also there is a little problem in what you are trying to prove as all of those companies provided the tools and equipment to defeat the Nazi's and release the prisoner in the concentration camps and slave labor facilities.
 
samcdkey



The operative word is (Had) supplied, most of those companies were already in Germany doing business with the Weimar Republic, a embargo was placed in effect before WWII started, cutting off the Nazi's from being supplied, and after the embargo was in place the Nazi's nationalized those industries that were in Germany, also there is a little problem in what you are trying to prove as all of those companies provided the tools and equipment to defeat the Nazi's and release the prisoner in the concentration camps and slave labor facilities.

Duh

At the end of the War, many European Fascists are supported and re-instated by the USA and its West European allies. Many prominent Nazis are taken to the USA to work for the Americans: Reinhard Gehlen (spymaster), Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (SS officers implicated in the massacre of Jews), Klaus Barbie (killer of many in the French city of Lyon), Otto von Bolschwing (mastermind of the holocaust against the Jews), and Otto Skorzeny (SS leader and friend of Nazi leader, Adolf Hitler). ”
 
It's probably hopeless at this point, but I'll make an attempt to post something on-topic, if that's ok with you guys. I hate to disappoint, but this article actually contains something about Afghanistan, and to the dismay of most of you i'm sure, it's not all bad news.
Then you have truly not understood my position. I want good news from Afghanistan, and there is some, but not a whole lot. The Taliban still exist in enough force to influence local politics.
 
samcdkey

“ At the end of the War, many European Fascists are supported and re-instated by the USA and its West European allies. Many prominent Nazis are taken to the USA to work for the Americans: Reinhard Gehlen (spymaster), Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (SS officers implicated in the massacre of Jews), Klaus Barbie (killer of many in the French city of Lyon), Otto von Bolschwing (mastermind of the holocaust against the Jews), and Otto Skorzeny (SS leader and friend of Nazi leader, Adolf Hitler). ” ”

Cold war politics made for strange bed fellows, but we had defeated the Nazi's freed Europe from Hitler, held the Nuremberg Trials, and help rebuild the rest of the world Allies and Enemies alike, and now we had to face the Communist across the Iron Curtain and the favorite tactic of the middle east came into play the enemy of my enemy is useful, he may not be a friend but he is useful in defeating my enemy.
 
samcdkey



Cold war politics made for strange bed fellows, but we had defeated the Nazi's freed Europe from Hitler, held the Nuremberg Trials, and help rebuild the rest of the world Allies and Enemies alike, and now we had to face the Communist across the Iron Curtain and the favorite tactic of the middle east came into play the enemy of my enemy is useful, he may not be a friend but he is useful in defeating my enemy.

Hmm

http://www.omnicenter.org/warpeacecollection/dictators.htm
 
In world politics ever country has done business with dictators, and there are a lot of those dictators thet the U.S. stopped supporting when they started to spread their little dictatorships beyond their own countries, but I thought you didn't want the U.S. interfering with dictators, The Taliban for one, you seem to be extremely unhappy that we took them out of business, Saddam for another, you seem to have a wish for him to still be in power killing his own people, and still ignoring the U.N. Cease Fire, would you be happy if the U.S. would cut all support for India? There are time in the politics of the World were you have to deal with some very strange situations, and for one thing most of the support for these dictators came under the Democrats as they were the ones in power for most of the time frame that you reference, and even if we didn't support these dictators what would have been accomplished, the Communist in the Soviet Union would have courted and supported those Countries, that was the game back then, see which of the Powers would give you the most support for your little fiefdom, and the moment that either one failed to give you what you wanted you would move into the influence sphere of the other power. That was politics in the Cold War.
 
Cold war politics made for strange bed fellows, but we had defeated the Nazi's freed Europe from Hitler, held the Nuremberg Trials, and help rebuild the rest of the world Allies and Enemies alike, and now we had to face the Communist across the Iron Curtain and the favorite tactic of the middle east came into play the enemy of my enemy is useful, he may not be a friend but he is useful in defeating my enemy.


Exactly why Saddam should still be in power.
 
In world politics ever country has done business with dictators, and there are a lot of those dictators thet the U.S. stopped supporting when they started to spread their little dictatorships beyond their own countries, but I thought you didn't want the U.S. interfering with dictators, The Taliban for one, you seem to be extremely unhappy that we took them out of business, Saddam for another, you seem to have a wish for him to still be in power killing his own people, and still ignoring the U.N. Cease Fire, would you be happy if the U.S. would cut all support for India? There are time in the politics of the World were you have to deal with some very strange situations, and for one thing most of the support for these dictators came under the Democrats as they were the ones in power for most of the time frame that you reference, and even if we didn't support these dictators what would have been accomplished, the Communist in the Soviet Union would have courted and supported those Countries, that was the game back then, see which of the Powers would give you the most support for your little fiefdom, and the moment that either one failed to give you what you wanted you would move into the influence sphere of the other power. That was politics in the Cold War.


So now the US is liberating the world from the dictators it propped up for financial gain?

The world should be suitably grateful for such magnanimity. If it can survive the process that is.
 
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