When you think someone has embarrassed themselves enough, they come out with this..
I said I reported posts. I said I would refrain.
But you know what I think?
I think reporting her posts does no good.
Fine- I'll point out a few things. I'll defend myself.
Report me for what?
Disagreeing with you? Have I missed a memo?
Neverfly said:
Bells, this demonstrates that you are not reading the articles or following what is said.
From an
article I linked earlier and have referred to a few times in this thread:
Members of the store's loss prevention team are unarmed, and the company has an outside security company to provide assistance at some stores, including Covina, Gee said.
Gee said Walmart will make sure its policies and procedures were followed, she said.
"Associates are trained to disengage from situations that would put themselves or others at risk," Gee said.
I would strongly suggest you go back and read what has been said and linked in this thread Neverfly.
Bells; Saying they "Inflicted the Death Penalty" is an emotionally charged Rant. It is inaccurate and out of line.
They restrained him until his heart stopped and he stopped breathing.
You also took my comment completely out of context.
But this is usual for you, isn't it? You take something and run with it without checking to see if you are right first.
Comparing criminals is not. Comparing officer action is legitimate. Comparing officer response and action is legitimate. The cannibal was unarmed too- But being threatening. He got shot. I pointed out he was hooped up on drugs.
Firstly, your constant bolding of words when you get angry gets old fast. It is tantamount to shouting when posting on forums. Please stop it.
Secondly, you were comparing crimes that were so far apart on the scales, it wasn't even funny. You attempted to compare a suspected shoplifting with the rape of a woman and the cannibalism and attempted murder of another person. Not only is it not a legitimate argument, but it is one that is so far out of left field that you automatically lose any credibility you think you may have had in this discussion. It was almost embarrassing watching you make such arguments.
I actually rolled my eyes. It was a clear and blatant attempt by you to appeal to people's emotions.. You also clearly and succinctly stated that "this is what happens to thieves, robbers and crooks" when I dared to suggest, in my first post in this thread, that the security personnel employed by Walmart should have followed Walmart's policy and back off when it was clear the man was in medical distress.
Saying I'm not a bleeding heart liberal is a statement of fact. Not a character attack on anyone. It is directed at myself.
Neverfly, the manner in which you posted, made out that you thought JDawg was a "bleeding heart liberal" without any proof and then insinuated that he was some kind of coward who would sit on the sidelines while someone like you would come along and do the dirty work. You were dismissive, rude, presumptuous, amongst other things. You also did this without any proof whatsoever of JDawg's character or what he would or would not do.
Saying I'm a Monster is a statement of myself- Not a character attack on anyone. It is directed at myself. The time JDawg claimed I called him a Monster- I had only said he would be IF He believed people could not defend themselves from attack.
No.
You said, and I quote:
Neverfly said:
Or you can sit back and let someone like me come along, whose willing to get dirty and do the dirty work you cannot do. But you don't get to cry from the sidelines.
After saying he could take "good sweet care" of the person beating him.
You insinuated he was some kind of coward and weak in strength and character.
Responding to JDawgs "Armchair Hero" comment as I had was probably poor judgment. If I must apologize for that, I will.
Not that it matters that JDawg said that, right?
That's about the ONLY thing you could have said I did wrong.
Neverfly, the violence displayed by you in this thread has been appalling.
Let us have a look at the manner in which you attempted to then compare this to a hypothetical situation of if someone was mugged while discussing 'self defense' with JDawg..
This is how you compared the situation:
Neverfly said:
So, they did not off and kill someone. Although he did die.
What happens if you defend yourself from a mugger whose, beating on your face, wanting your wallet- You slug him and his fragile little neck breaks or you hit his nose in the right spot and jam bone fragments into his brain?
He had it comin.'
This is appalling.
You may think this is acceptable, but it is not. You are almost gleefully thinking up these scenarios.
Now here is where your accusation against me gets interesting. When you, after posting the violent messages you have been posting in this thread and have been overly aggressive, confrontational and one could even say threatening, you accuse me of this:
However, you aggressively claiming that I support killing petty crooks is NOT a statement of fact and IS a character attack. I did not say that, I said I don't pity a man that attacks those that stop him from a crime.
It is laughable.
This is after you describe how one could kill a 'petty crook'.
You saying that I Have no respect of the law- IS a character attack.
Neverfly, I would strongly suggest you go back and look at you.. performance.. in this thread and then get back to me about how and why I may think you have little to no respect for the law.
And you don't think you asking me this:
Neverfly said:
Would you pity a rapist who was in medical distress after a woman defended herself from his attacks? Or should she have just accepted the rape so that he could get away and then describe him, what she saw of him, to the cops?
Could be construed as a character attack?
Knowing my opinion on rape, do you really think that question was appropriate?
Edited to address your edit:
You are intellectually Dishonest, Bells.
Your charges are dishonest. Your description of events is dishonest.
You turn discussions into nightmares like THIS.
How many other members- CHECK- HOW MANY have these kinds of arguments with me? You are the Only One, BELLS. I'm Fed up with your appalling behavior.
Syne was pissed off, but it's not THIS caliber. It wasn't nightmarish. I was able to ignore a lot of his charges of being Mentally Deficient, etc.
But with you-it's EVERY THREAD we both participate on. Every Time. Is it that you want to push me over the edge so I get myself banned, Bells? Is that it? Is that what you want? If you want me off the forum, just SAY so. Say, "I don't want you here, Neverfly." There's no need for this dramatic CRAP. Just SAY it. I'll be happy to leave this forum all on my own- and not have to deal with HUGE FIGHTS in EVERY THREAD we both discuss in! I did it for two years before after your First encounter with me when you drove me from the site.
I don't know what your obsession is with ensuring every time we discuss something in a thread it turns into this but you need to BACK OFF.
My first post in this thread was to suggest that the security guards should have 'disengaged' as per Walmart's policy and you responded by asking me if I'd pity a rapist and if I would expect a woman to not fight back when she is being raped. If anyone can be accused of blatant intellectual dishonesty Neverfly, it is you.
You have gleefully been posting blood thirsty posts in this thread, almost joyful at the thought of the violence you seem to think is acceptable (refer to the whole punching someone's nose into the brain as a prime example). Apparently, this is not appalling behaviour to you.
And drive you from this site? You are still going on about a thread on rape 2 years ago when I disagreed with your views on rape victims?
Really? You know, I would laugh at you, but I think at this point you kind of deserve my pity. Get a grip on yourself man. If you expect to be taken seriously, don't act so hysterically.
And I am going to give you some advice, as a moderator and as someone who has been unfortunate enough to witness your embarrassing and violent display in this thread. You back off and you go and cool off. Failure to do so can and will result in you being moderated.