Supernova From Experimentation At Fermilab

Personally I don't understand de Sitter space and all that. I wish James would post in here. What do you say about all this James? Do you know anything of it?

I would think that if this thing that worries Paul is feasible then he's not the only one in the world that understands it. I would think that the scientists at Fermilab would take it into consideration. I'm sure they don't want to flash-fry our planet.

Paul, you mentioned an article in Nature. Is there a link to it somewhere? Some people mentioned trying to find it, but they evidently lost interest.
 
Never mind, I checked out the supernova link on the previous page. It's a copy of the article originally printed in Nature and was subsequently printed in another magazine. Has anyone that understands this sort of thing read it? What are your thoughts?


edit: actually it just mentions the article. I'd imagine it encompasses everything in the original. Am I right, Paul? I'd still like some comments from physicists on this.
 
You need to go back to page 1 invert. It's been three years since the physicists last posted here ;)
Did find this though, I believe It belongs to Paul.
Whereas, quantum tunneling towards de Sitter space is unlikely in one Hubble space-time volume. the penetrance of the potential barrier between de Sitter space and the continuum in a classical sense, is only a function of energy. The final evolutionary stage of collapse of stars having ten or more solar masses, may initiate this transition. The presence of active galactic nuclei, B L Lacertae objects and quasars, where these are found to be monopolar and are observed to be 4 to 5 times larger than bipolar objects, are also seen as intrusional events from de Sitter space in this postulation. Where natural phenomena may cause a transition towards de Sitter spaces it may be possible to cause these same effects with high-energy physics experimentation. Supernovae (SN) Type Ia evidence some 2.5 times greater luminosity than SN Type II, yet originate from objects of approximately one solar mass and show no trace of hydrogen near maximum light. If we are not the only sentient entities extant in the potentially infinite reaches of space and time, and with increased evidence of planetary bodies circling other stars, is the generation of SN Type Ia evidence for high-energy physics experimentation on other planetary bodies? ”
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I don't suppose it helps :D
Dee Cee
 
SUPERNOVA FROM EXPERIMENTATION AT FERMILAB

All thanks to everyone for your most prompt actions in this tragic concern.

Please review the short article by Malcolm J. Perry entitled, Quantum tunnelling towards an exploding Universe? (Nature Vol 320, 1986, p.679.) This is the most condensed and authoritative work in the theoretical physics section of the most respected journal, Nature, to present the concept of de Sitter space. This article also touches on the presence of a large potential barrier between de Sitter space and the continuum. It is the central hypothesis of this thread that with sufficient energy in the ring at Fermilab this potential barrier will be classically breached thus releasing a Type Ia Supernova on our planet and solar system and a host of nearby stars. These very great energies are well-known to those familiar with relativistic cosmology. The curious and perhaps horrifying part of this is that this research contiinues despite this widespread knowledge among modern physicists.

All the children will thank you for your prompt actions on their behalf and may the good God have mercy on our souls.

EVERY BEST WISH!!!

Yours sincerely,

Paul W. Dixon, Ph.D.
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and may the good God have mercy on our souls
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Some cruel God you have if you think he gave us brains and then designed the universe to blow up if we investigated it.
 
SUPERNOVA FROM EXPERIMENTATINON AT FEMILAB

Indeed, thanks to one and all for your strong support in this most tragic concern.

The current reading for luminosity at Fermilab is exactly 70.0E30 at alomost 2 TeV. This value is sufficient to produce a transition toward de Sitter space at any moment under the hypothesis put forward in this thread.

Let us hypothesize the concept of a caring Diety, with, however, the stipulation that we as part of this creation are endowed with free will. Thus, under the hypothesis of a caring Deity, we should have sufficient foreknowledge of the effect of using these vast energies at Fermilab, i.e., Type Ia Supernova generation, yet we can continue as we wish to doom ourselves, the solar system and a host nearby stars, owing to the gift of free will. Freedom thus creates responsibility for our actions!

All the children will thank you for your prompts actions on their behalf and may the good God have mercy on our souls!

EVERY BEST WISH!!!

Yours sincerely,

Paul W. Dixon, Ph.D.
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Hey, Paul does answer questions. I even saw that he posted in another thread the other day.

Paul, why don't you join in the various threads more. It's possible people might take you more seriously if you took part in the forum as a whole. Show your stuff, so to speak. Maybe even start some threads on deSitter space and the like. This thread has gone on so long that nobody's every going to take it seriously.

The current reading for luminosity at Fermilab is exactly 70.0E30 at alomost 2 TeV. This value is sufficient to produce a transiton toward de Sitter space at any moment under the hypothesis put forward in this thread.
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So, they're presently at the point where a supernova could form? This is actually less than a number you posted earlier, 73.3E30 at almost 2 Tev. What is the lowest it can go and still be at risk? At what point (luminosity or whatever... I'm a layman) will it be proven that it won't happen? It's a probability thing? Are there any natural sources for energies of this level? (I'd guess within a supernova, eh?)

At least one thing, Paul, if it happens, it'll happen quick. Life has always been a roll of the dice.
 
If Paul is worried about Fermilab, I wonder what he thinks of the Large Hadron Collider.
It is supposed to create energies to 7 TeV. A cut and paste and link:

"Physicists are already searching for signs of the Higgs boson or supersymmetric particles in existing colliders. However, to investigate properly these and other new phenomena requires a collider that will achieve much higher energies - 70 times that of LEP - replicating the searingly hot conditions in the Universe one million-millionth of a second after its birth. This machine, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), is now being built by international teams, with major participation from the UK. Constructed in the same underground tunnel as LEP, it will collide intense beams of protons at 7 teraelectronvolts (million million electronvolts). The LHC will be ready by 2005."
http://policy.iop.org/v_production/v6.html
 
SUPERNOVA FROM EXPERIMENTAITON AT FERMILAB

Your kind actions on behalf of all mankind are of the greatest significance in this grave concern.

The variation in energetics at Fermilab has reached 75.59E30 luminosity, a NEW WORLD RECORD, at some 2(979.66) GeV. With these great energies, as well as the prospect of yet greater energies being created in the Large Hadron Collider at CERN, it may be helpful to recapitulate the hypothesis which undergirds this thread.

We may harken back to the greatest of the Italian Philosphers of the Renaissance, who wrote:

"Innumerable suns exist: innumerable earths revolve around these suns in a manner similar to the way the seven planets revolve around our sun. Living beings inhabit these worlds." from, "On the Infinite Universe and Worlds, Giordano Bruno 1584.

If we consider the progression of high-energy physics energies as the standard model for experimentation by other sentient creatures much like ourselves, then it must be inevitable that they too may create a transition towards de Sitter space. This would create the remarkably uniform supernovae termed Type Ia Supernovae which are used as standard candles in modern observational astronomy because of their great similarity. Most generally, it may be surmised that their great similiarity is evidence for an artifical origin under this postulation. The article, Supernovae from Experimenation? posted in this thread gives further evidence for this hypothesis.

All the children will thank you for your prompt media based actions in this tragic concern and may the good God have mercy on our souls.

ALL BEST WISHES

Yours sincerely,

Paul W. Dixon, Ph.D.
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SUPERNOVA FROM EXPERIMENTATION AT FERMILAB

All thanks to everyone for your concern in this most tragic connection.

As indicated in the preceeding post, the theory would predict yet further extension in this plunge towards certain destruction via Type Ia Supernova generation. Such is indeed the case, with yet another NEW LUMINOSITY RECORD now at Fermilab with 78.33E30 at nearly 2 TeV.

All the children will thank you for your kind actions on their behalf and may the good God have mercy on our souls!

ALL BEST WISHES,

Yours sincerely,

Paul W. Dixon, Ph.D.
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SUPERNOVA FROM EXPERIMENTATION AT FERMILAB

All thanks to everyone for your prompt media based actions in this most tragic concern.

An examination of the Tevatron Status page at Fermilab has indicated that the energies now employed at Fermilab have increased by an order of magnitude to 89.27E30 at near to 2 TeV. Thus an increase in magnitude by a factor of ten where these energies are already nearly equal to those produced by the Big Bang at the point origin the universe. Since the breaching of the potential barrier towards de Sitter space is only a function of energy, we may expect the generation of Type Ia Supernova, under the postulation that undergirds this thread, at any moment. So far, there has been no refutation of this postulation in some 28 years of presenting this theoretical position to the world of science.

We are indeed fortunate that this thread and the accompanying providence of civilization has continued for this long a period! All the children will thank you for your kind actions on their behalf and may the good God have mercy on our souls!

EVERY BEST WISH,

Yours sincererly,

Paul W. Dixon, Ph.D.
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SUPERNOVA FROM EXPERIMENTATION AT FERMILAB

Many thanks to everyone for your prompt media based actions in this most tragic concern.

As mentioned in the preceeding post, the luminosity in the Tevatron status was 89.27E30 at near to 2 TeV energetics. The value given as the newest luminosity record is that recorded at the inititiation of a run in the CDF at some 84.78E30 at near to 2 TeV in the Accelerator Update at Fermilab. It is clear, therefore, that the luminosity record may be exceeded during the run so that the luminosity record posted on the Accelerator Update may be an underestimate of the luminosity record actually achieved at Fermilab. Nor is this a minor difference, since as noted in this instance, it may amount to half an order of magnitude (x 10).

Since the breaching of the potential barrier towards de Sitter space is only a function of energy, we are faced with an increased probability of Type Ia Supernova generation with each increment in energy in the ring at Fermilab!

We are thus faced with the most reckless and irresponsible action imaginable where the energies have been increased by some 8 orders of magnitude since the beginning of Run II at Fermilab and yet these energies are already those found at near to the point origin of the Universe in the Big Bang as it is referred to.

All the children will thank you for your prompt actons on their behalf and may the good God have mercy on our souls!

ALL BEST WISHES

Yours sincerely,

Paul W. Dixon, Ph.D.
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SUPERNOVA FROM EXPERIMENTATION AT FERMILAB

All thanks to everyone for your kind efforts in this most tragic concern.

May we add a footnote to this discussion from the work of Stephen Hawking at: http://www.hawking.org.uk/ps/penrose3.ps
We note the decoherence in the observable Universe since it is smoother than it would be without the phenomenon of decoherence in this instance.
This phenomenon would be accounted for should there be a heat bath surrounding the Universe without recourse to other explanatory frameworks.

The current dominant theory in relativistic cosmology of Andrei Linde, where a potentially infinite number of universes form in de Sitter space would place each of these universes in a heat bath, i.e., de Sitter space. Those values that in the first page of this thread are those for de Sitter space which is then divided from this Universe by a large potential barrier which may be penetrated by sufficiently great energies (in a classical sense), as are produced in the Tevatron at the collider at Fermilab, would when released create the force of a Type Ia Supernova on the earth, the solar system and a host of nearby stars!

All the children will thank you for your prompt actions on their behalf and may the good God have mercy on our souls!!!

In the sense of the demands of Quantum Cosmology, the inclusion of de Sitter space within the context of Relativistic Cosmology provides for the background conditions which are shown to be necessary for the completion of the deriviations from Quantum Cosmology. This also illustrates for the first time existence of de Sitter Space within the context of Quantum Cosmology to account for the great smoothness (dechorence) of our Universe.

EVERY BEST WISH

Yours sincerely,

Paul W. Dixon, Ph.D.
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SUPERNOVA FROM EXPERIMENTATION AT FERMILAB

Many thanks to one and all for your most kind media based efforts in this tragic concern.

So far, this thread has extended for some 1217 days owing to the kind offices of Sciforums. In this same time frame, there have been som 24, 453 views of this thread. On the average, therefore, there have been some twenty (20) views per day. This shows a lively and continuing interest in this thread.

All the children will thank you for your kind efforts in their behalf and may the good God have mercy on our souls!

ALL BEST WISHES!!!

Yours sincerely,

Paul W. Dixon, Ph.D.
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WOW.
Reading the first and last pages, I find it amazing this thread has survived as long as it has. Probably because Paul keeps bumping it. It's obvious there's nothing to this... Let it die.
 
SUPERNOVA FOM EXPERIMENTATION AT FERMILAB

Many thanks to everyone for your continued effort in this most tragic concern.

It may be informative to summarize the counter-arguments against those derived from Relativisitic Cosmology.

1. Potential energy and kinetic energy are the same in physics, therefore those energies found in an ordinary pencil are greater than those now employed at Fermilab.

2. The energies in the Big Bang at the point origin of the Universe are relatively small so all these energies are over-rated.

3. Those energies at Fermilab and at the other accelerators world-round are weak and puny and are therefore harmless.

4. The arguments from Relativisitic Cosmmology are too complex to be understood therefore one can safely ignore them.

5. We can just ignore the possibility of the generation of Supernova from Experimentation since this kind of thing is just not that important.

With the greatest respect found for the work of Albert Einstein and Willem de Sitter in the Einstein de Sitter Universe as it is now termed, we can still hope and pray that these aforementioned hypotheses are correct. In this way, we may find that in high-energy physics no Type Ia Supernova will be generated. Alas,the entire weight of modern science would indicate that we must prepare for the destruction of everything we hold most dear in this reckless and irresponsible plunge towards ultimate catastrophe.

All the children will thank you for your kind efforts on their behalf and may the good God have mercy on our souls!

ALL BEST WISHES

Yours sincerely,

Paul W. Dixon, Ph.D.
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I'll give this to Paul Dixon: He really believes what he's talking about. Otherwise he would have given up on this thread (litterally) years ago.
 
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