Study into near-death experiences

[Norsefire]

Very much so...someone who is schizophrenic for example experiences the world very differently than an average person.

It's the same world, though. So hell has to be a place. We might experience it differnetly, but it has to be somewhere. Where is it?

 

[Carcano]

So hell has to be a place.

Why?

 

[Norsefire]

Why?

Earth is a place. If we are experiencing this reality, the reality first has to exist. If we are to experience hell, it must first exist. So where is it?

 

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

That's a huge if.

 

[Carcano]

Earth is a place. If we are experiencing this reality, the reality first has to exist. If we are to experience hell, it must first exist.

There are two choices:

1. You experience hell.

2. Hell is your experience.

 

[Norsefire]

That's a huge if.

No, it isn't. We are experiencing reality and therefore, reality must exist. IF we are to experience hell, as some people claim to have done, hell must first exist, and therefore must be "some where"

 

[Norsefire]

There are two choices:

1. You experience hell.

2. Hell is your experience.

1. Then where is hell?
2. So you can't communicate with other consciousnesses? Since the experience is YOURS in YOUR mind.

 

[Carcano]

2. So you can't communicate with other consciousnesses?

Why not? Some believe they communicate with other beings while asleep.

Whos to say that 'your mind' is some isolated container?

 

[Norsefire]

So we have a bunch of consciousnesses experiencing, relatively speaking, the same experience? Ok, that means it's a reality and therefore a place. Where is hell?

Don't get me wrong, I do believe in the survival of consciousenss after death also

 

[Carcano]

So we have a bunch of consciousnesses experiencing, relatively speaking, the same experience?

Its not exactly the same according to NDEs. It might have similar emotional characteristics, but there is still a lot of diversity.

 

[Norsefire]

Its not exactly the same according to NDEs. It might have similar emotional characteristics, but there is still a lot of diversity.

So which is it? Is it a creation of the mind or an actual experience of a reality? And if it is the latter, it means hell has to exist...somewhere.


Oh, we forgot to mention! Aren't there group NDE's as well? As in, alot of people experience an OBE at the same time, it's been reported, and can actually see each other while out of body the others are also out of body

 

[Carcano]

So which is it? Is it a creation of the mind or an actual experience of a reality? And if it is the latter, it means hell has to exist...somewhere.

I'm guessing the answer lies in some third option.

Heres a good article on hell-like experiences.

http://www.cinemind.com/atwater/hell.html

 

[Norsefire]

I'm guessing the answer lies in some third option.

Heres a good article on hell-like experiences.

http://www.cinemind.com/atwater/hell.html

That's an interesting read. Ok, but what I'm really curious abut NDE's in general is when they speak of a "supreme being" or some even mention Christ. What is your opinion on that?

 

[Carcano]

That's an interesting read. Ok, but what I'm really curious abut NDE's in general is when they speak of a "supreme being" or some even mention Christ. What is your opinion on that?

I think they might experience a 'being' they call Christ...if they are Christian.

The being does not say:

"Oh btw, my name is Yeshua Bar Yosef...Jesus to you."

Buddhist NDEs might experience a similar being and name it after some historical Bodhisattva...according to their cultural conditioning.