Sounds of ghosts from abandoned insane asylum

[Balerion]

I gave you a list of consistent eyewitness experiences of the paranormal. This points to the existence of a real phenomena. Thousands of people making shit up aren't going to come up with same exact experiences over and over again.

They're not coming up with the same exact experiences. And let's also not pretend these people live in a bubble. If they wanted to make their story sound "mainstream," they certainly could.

 

[Magical Realist]

They're not coming up with the same exact experiences. And let's also not pretend these people live in a bubble. If they wanted to make their story sound "mainstream," they certainly could.

You're speaking out of ignorance now. How many paranormal cases have you actually read or heard about? Three? Well here's three of the best documented poltergeist cases"

http://paranormal.about.com/od/poltergeists/a/Poltergeists-Three-Famous-Cases.htm

Typical poltergeist activity experiences:

Throwing of small pebbles or objects that are really hot or cold to the touch.

Appearance of water puddles and drippings from the ceilings.

Loud bangs in other rooms but no sign of anything falling.

Plates or pots or books or cans of food stacked or set out on the table and floor in weird patterns.

Unplugged radio/tv/computer coming on in the middle of the night.

Doors slamming and lights flicking on and off.

Voices and whispers from empty rooms.

Furniture being pushed around.

Fires starting.

Writings and scrawlings on walls and windows..

Objects being "allported"--disappearing and reappearing somewhere else

Usually associated with a member of the family who has a physical psychic gift..

 

[Balerion]

You're speaking out of ignorance now. How many paranormal cases have you actually read or heard about? Three?

That is utter nonsense. There are entire networks dedicated to this kind of piffle.

Well here's three of the best documented poltergeist cases

Documented by whom? In the first case, the only reference to investigation is the mention of a medium. And after the family left, all the demon-ness magically ceased! Fancy that!

The Enfield "event" was "investigated by a guy from the Society for Physical Research--which is a deceptively scientific-sounding name for a group that studies paranormal stuff. You know, claiming to be experts in a phenomenon that doesn't actually exist. And what a shock--when Janet left the house, no funny business to be found.

The third is hearsay. Second-hand accounts of a haunted house. The only real "investigation" came from--guess who?--a parapsychologist. That's a fancy word for "fraud."

This is the best you got?

OMG! Scientific evidence psychokinetic powers!

 

[Magical Realist]

That is utter nonsense. There are entire networks dedicated to this kind of piffle.



Documented by whom? In the first case, the only reference to investigation is the mention of a medium. And after the family left, all the demon-ness magically ceased! Fancy that!

The Enfield "event" was "investigated by a guy from the Society for Physical Research--which is a deceptively scientific-sounding name for a group that studies paranormal stuff. You know, claiming to be experts in a phenomenon that doesn't actually exist. And what a shock--when Janet left the house, no funny business to be found.

The third is hearsay. Second-hand accounts of a haunted house. The only real "investigation" came from--guess who?--a parapsychologist. That's a fancy word for "fraud."

This is the best you got? Don't be such a sucker.

OMG! Scientific evidence psychokinetic powers!

Right. So anyone who investigates this phenomena is automatically to be dismissed as a charlatan. The families who witnessed these events are all charlatans. The police officers who investigated it are charlatans.

Keep your earplugs in and repeat after me: "There's no such thing as ghosts. There's no such thing as ghosts!" lol!

 

[Balerion]

Right. So anyone who investigates this phenomena is automatically to be dismissed as a charlatan. The families who witnessed these events are all charlatans. The police officers who investigated it are charlatans.

Keep your earplugs in and repeat after me: "There's no such thing as ghosts. There's no such thing as ghosts!" lol!

Keep strawmanning so as not to shatter your childish delusion.

Seriously, you don't see any problems with the "well-documented" cases you linked to? You don't find it suspicious that the spooky stuff stops when the claimant leaves? It doesn't strike you as odd that these para-whateverthefucks immediately believe the claims, or are the only other witnesses to the alleged events? None of this stuff bothers you?

Replace "ghost" with "God" and you'd be calling these people delusional fuckwits. Replace "parapsychologist" with "priest" and you'd call them liars, or delusional. But you change the rules when it comes to the paranormal.

 

[wegs]

Right. So anyone who investigates this phenomena is automatically to be dismissed as a charlatan. The families who witnessed these events are all charlatans. The police officers who investigated it are charlatans.

Keep your earplugs in and repeat after me: "There's no such thing as ghosts. There's no such thing as ghosts!" lol!

You know I like a good ghost story, Magical; I'm open minded to the idea of the paranormal, but ...I'd be interested in these police reports you mention. Police don't normally get involved in the cases I've reviewed, so that's curious.

Unfortunately, when you and I had lengthy exchanges with Sarkus, he too was skeptical but only because the evidence most paranormal "experts" provide is refutable. Lots to "rule out" with these cases, before we can conclusively say..."it must be a ghost."

At the sane time, why are people so hesitant to even ponder the idea of the paranormal? Damn, this is déjà vu because I think I posted that same comment back in my orbs thread. lol

 

[Magical Realist]

Keep strawmanning so as not to shatter your childish delusion.

Seriously, you don't see any problems with the "well-documented" cases you linked to? You don't find it suspicious that the spooky stuff stops when the claimant leaves? It doesn't strike you as odd that these para-whateverthefucks immediately believe the claims, or are the only other witnesses to the alleged events? None of this stuff bothers you?

Replace "ghost" with "God" and you'd be calling these people delusional fuckwits. Replace "parapsychologist" with "priest" and you'd call them liars, or delusional. But you change the rules when it comes to the paranormal.

I already told you the poltergeist activity is somehow connected with a member of the family--usually an adolescent girl. So ofcourse there is no activity when they leave. And like I said, if people were turning up pics and audio recordings and eyewitness accounts of God appearing in houses and moving stuff around, I'd definitely consider it likely. But they don't. Because God is a storybook character made up by religion.

So lets see. The families are all delusional. The cops who witness the phenomena are delusional. And the paranormal investigators are delusional. That's one hell of a collective delusion. I'm not familiar with any condition like this in which multiple people hallucinate the same things over and over again, are you?

 

[Balerion]

At the sane time, why are people so hesitant to even ponder the idea of the paranormal?

Because it's always the same. It's a recording of some noises without having any way of knowing whether or not it was faked. It's a photograph that could easily be an artifact or lens smear or just plain faked. The only time any investigation yields results is when it's by someone with an interest in their being results--a "parapsychologist" or "ghost hunter" or some other fraud--and it's never when anyone else is looking, and never verifiable by anyone outside of "the business."

There's always a better explanation for the stuff they call evidence. Always.

 

[Balerion]

I already told you the poltergeist activity is somehow connected with a member of the family--usually an adolescent girl. So ofcourse there is no activity when they leave.

And how is this determined? What tests have been conducted to establish this?

And like I said, if people were turning up pics and audio recordings and eyewitness accounts of God appearing in houses and moving stuff around, I'd definitely consider it likely. But they don't. Because God is a storybook character made up by religion.

That's really all it would take? Pics and audio recordings?

 

[Magical Realist]

Unfortunately, when you and I had lengthy exchanges with Sarkus, he too was skeptical but only because the evidence most paranormal "experts" provide is refutable

All evidence is refutable. All you have to do is say the eyewitnesses were delusional and the photos and audio is faked. You could do this with just about anything, even say something like ball lightning or rogue waves. So it isn't ever a question of not having enough evidence because denialists automatically consider all evidence as fake and all eyewitness accounts as delusional. It sort of defeats the purpose in even discussing it with such people. They've made up their minds there can be no evidence EVER. So what's the point?

 

[wegs]

Because it's always the same crap. It's a recording of some noises without having any way of knowing whether or not it was faked. It's a photograph that could easily be an artifact or lens smear or just plain faked. The only time any investigation yields results is when it's by someone with an interest in their being results--a "parapsychologist" or "ghost hunter" or some other fraud--and it's never when anyone else is looking, and never verifiable by anyone outside of "the business."

There's always a better explanation for the stuff they call evidence. Always.

lol @ "the business"
You'd be a real stick-in-the-mud if you tagged along to check out a house, rumored to be haunted. :roflmao:

Joking aside, I don't disagree that there is natural phenomenon that needs to be ruled out before leaning towards the paranormal serving as the explanation. Magical, you can see the reasoning in that, yes?

 

[Balerion]

All evidence is refutable. All you have to do is say the eyewitnesses were delusional and the photos and audio is faked. You could do this with just about anything, even say something like ball lightning or rogue waves.

Ball lightning and rouge waves are not such departures from the norm as ghosts.

So it isn't ever a question of not having enough evidence because denialists automatically consider all evidence as fake and all eyewitness accounts as delusional. It sort of defeats the purpose in even discussing it with such people. They've made up their minds there can be no evidence EVER. So what's the point?

The irony.

 

[Balerion]

Magical, you can see the reasoning in that, yes?

Obviously not.

 

[Magical Realist]

The only time any investigation yields results is when it's by someone with an interest in their being results--a "parapsychologist" or "ghost hunter" or some other fraud--and it's never when anyone else is looking, and never verifiable by anyone outside of "the business."

That's a damn lie and you know it. I posted 29 of the best pics of ghosts many of which were just accidents caught by everyday people taking pictures. And WHY would paranormal investigators tend to get more pics than others? Well who else is spending all night in haunted locations taking pictures? Ofcourse they're going have more evidence. Not because they are just making it up. But because they are looking harder than anyone else.

 

[Balerion]

That's a damn lie and you know it. I posted 29 of the best pics of ghosts many of which were just accidents caught by everyday people taking pictures. And WHY would paranormal investigators tend to get more pics than others? Well who else is spending all night in haunted locations taking pictures? Ofcourse they're going have more evidence. Not because they are just making it up. But because they are looking harder than anyone else.

Stop acting like such a baby. What you posted was 29 images that cannot be verified to be legitimate. Take a look at the image I posted; do you think that's evidence for the reality of Dragonball-Z powers? After all, it is a picture of it.

 

[Magical Realist]

Magical, you can see the reasoning in that, yes?

That was Sarkus' old argument. Must be an UNKNOWN natural cause then because it can't possibly be paranormal. You have de facto ruled out the very possibility of the paranormal then. As if that can somehow even be known. But the evidence is all there for those who want to look into it. You just have to be objective about it and not disingenuously push some no-paranormal agenda. Like these skeptic sites where people sit around in offices all day and try to debunk everything that even smacks of the unexplained. As if they somehow know there are no unexplained phenomena out there.

 

[wegs]

Ok I must ask this, and don't laugh at or judge me. Lol But, if ghosts exist, what are they -- some form of low frequency energy?

 

[Magical Realist]

Ok I must ask this, and don't laugh at or judge me. Lol But, if ghosts exist, what are they -- some form of low frequency energy?

I already said I don't know. But then we don't really know what alot of things are. Dark energy. Dark matter. That's not an excuse to deny the reality of the phenomenon though.

 

[Magical Realist]

Ball lightning and rouge waves are not such departures from the norm as ghosts

Google them. Ofcourse they're departures from the norm.

 

[wegs]

That was Sarkus' old argument. Must be an UNKNOWN natural cause then because it can't possibly be paranormal. You have de facto ruled out the very possibility of the paranormal then. As if that can somehow even be known. But the evidence is all there for those who want to look into it. You just have to be objective about it and not disingenuously push some no-paranormal agenda. Like these skeptic sites where people sit around in offices all day and try to debunk everything that even smacks of the unexplained. As if they somehow know there are no unexplained phenomena out there.

I just remembered from the orbs thread... remember how heated things got when Occam's Razor was mentioned? lol!