Originally posted by Raithere
Can you please show us the evidence for consciousness in death? Please don't include NDE because, as we well know, the brain can remain viable for several minutes (or longer depending on the conditions) after clinical death. These people were clinically dead, not brain dead. Since I am proposing that it is the brain that is the seat of consciousness you'll need to address that.
Raithere, I don't know what happened, I typed a whole responce to you and poured my heart out and it didn't get sent. I don't know if I can pour my heart again, let's try.
First, I'm feeling pretty weird about continuing our discussion, but something in me that I can't explain is compelling me to continue. It's a good feeling, and I trust my instinct, so I'll follow it. I possess fear but I hate it at the same time...I must fight my fear. Back in Egypt they tell me that fear is the protector of humans...I hate to accept that.
As Wesmorris suggested let us get back to the topic. Please note all information is straight out of my butt, so you're welcome to comment, although I have a feeling that you can recognize the quality of the information in question.
You asked me to discuss consciousness. This is my answer, and I'll try to pretend that you don't know the answer, so I might use my pride to give the most information.
I must start from the very beginning when explaining the concept of consciousness. When I was first born, I was told that I cried like every baby when my diaper needed changing, when I was hungry, thirsty, ect. They also tell me that I was quite cute and made everyone smile. I have no memory of such events...where was my memory? I don't think I had fear....my son is a baby I tried to scare him in an experiment with a halloween costume, but he laughed instead...my daughter on the other hand ran away like a little mouse and still remember the experience and hate me for it.....It seemed though that I possessed a lot of features when I was a baby that would have been attributed to consciousness, like feelings. I also had instinctal features such as the animals have like sucking...mommy tells me I was quite good at that..... Sorry Wesmorris, back to the discussion.
Then as I grew up, I started accessing my memory, it was not very clear in the beggining but it was available to some degree. I was like innocent you know, no shame to some degree, crazy little brat...also to some degree, that was another feature of my conscious that I was developing and that I started sensing all of a sudden...still to a degree... where was those proportions and degrees of my conscious....they disapear and reappear all of a sudden...welcomed and unwelcomed...
Then here I'm now, with brisk memory, able to love, hate, honor, dishonor, humilate to others, apologize to others, and the rest of the nine yard...But I can't suck as well as I did when I was a baby...my fear seems to increase as I grow older too.....It's like that degree of my consious that is balancing the rest of the damn thing.
I presume, and here I have to extrapolate, that when I grow older, my memory might diminish, my confidance will diminish, I might need to use a diaper...who knows..Again proportions of my conscious are coming alive and others going to the back burner..
So after this long boring disgusting story, why the hell would I exclude the possibility that my conscious disappear after death and that my conscious did not exist before birth...???
Ps...to all viewers except Raithere.....All information on this post is highly confidential and comes straight out of the Quran...If you dare use it againest me in a any court of law, I'll kick your butt no stop until you squeal like the pig you are....Now, if you dare ask me to explain the Quran to you....I'll kick your pride until you start sucking your own thumb and admit that you're .....useless.