Should we ban the Kosher/Halal method of killing unstunned animals?
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Oh no, I can't stand beef bacon.. Really don't care for beef ribs either..
I dig the pig.
Big Chiller
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No one should eat plants or vegetation either they are living organisms too sure they don't have nociperception like us.
Breatharian?
Read post #6 think of the microorganisms. Btw I was being sarcastic I don't take you seriously.
Big Chiller
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Btw the OP is major bull, why? Even horses are shot and killed when they get too old to work and the slaughter in the OP is religious and for feeding purposes, horses are often whipped so this is hypocrisy.
PBtw the OP is major bull, why? Even horses are shot and killed when they get too old to work and the slaughter in the OP is religious and for feeding purposes, horses are often whipped so this is hypocrisy.
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Big Chiller
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the cut has to be made just deep enough not too deep according to religious instructions.
Big Chiller
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The real question is how much more humane could this stunning method of killing really be compared to the kosher or halal method? Westerners are too squeamish about this kind of thing which is why they don't understand.
Not Westerners. City Folk. Many ranchers, farmers, and hunters understand
Well thanks, that certainly answers my question about references. No need to provide any when you're correct, right?
Like most big cats, lions kill by strangling their prey with their jaws. They don't kill via jugular puncture or blood loss. But what you report is correct, right?
WillNever
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Btw the OP is major bull, why? Even horses are shot and killed when they get too old to work and the slaughter in the OP is religious and for feeding purposes, horses are often whipped so this is hypocrisy.
Actually, whipping horses is a criminal offense. Let's not veer off the well-trodden path of reality in the quest of justification.
That's right. Judah ben Hur beat Masala without a whip.
I worked in slaughter houses for around 10 years all the way through college. I still have my union withdrawal card.
In my experience, the rabbis are morons who don't know what the fuck they are doing, the knocker stuns the cow, which means drives a metal bolt through its head, in some cases injecting compressed air through the metal bolt, anyway and tells the rabbi, who's usually called Ali Baba by the butchers or some other 'this guy ain't from around here' kind of title, that the cow is still totally alive, see? she's still kicking even. Which the terrified rabbi believes because he just wants to wiggle his knife around and pray. Usually his knife is too dull to actually stick the cow, which means the sticker has to slice the skin so the rabbi can get his knife inside. The rabbi also doesn't know how to find the jugular so the sticker sticks it anyway to make sure it bleeds out.
I've seen it in a few places which isn't a broad sample, but it's extraordinarily dangerous, dirty and difficult work. My guess is that that's totally typical.
In my experience, the rabbis are morons who don't know what the fuck they are doing, the knocker stuns the cow, which means drives a metal bolt through its head, in some cases injecting compressed air through the metal bolt, anyway and tells the rabbi, who's usually called Ali Baba by the butchers or some other 'this guy ain't from around here' kind of title, that the cow is still totally alive, see? she's still kicking even. Which the terrified rabbi believes because he just wants to wiggle his knife around and pray. Usually his knife is too dull to actually stick the cow, which means the sticker has to slice the skin so the rabbi can get his knife inside. The rabbi also doesn't know how to find the jugular so the sticker sticks it anyway to make sure it bleeds out.
I've seen it in a few places which isn't a broad sample, but it's extraordinarily dangerous, dirty and difficult work. My guess is that that's totally typical.
All cattle and sheep slaughtered in Australian abattoirs are slaughtered in accordance with halal. No Australia only has a very small muslim population less then 1% but Autralia is a major exporter of meat to islamic countries, so it is easier for the local meat industry to slaughter all animals in accordance with halal so they do not have to track seperate meat streams to local or the varied international markets. So they just do all cattle by halal. At my relative's place of work (abattoir) they employ a muslim to work for 2 hours every start of shift to bless all the cattle being slaughtered. So all meat bought at shops in Australia is halal.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Apocryphal. Good stuff though.
In 1836 the murderer Lacenaire agreed to wink after execution. He didn't. Attempts to elicit a reaction from the head of the murderer Prunier in 1879 were also fruitless. The following year a doctor pumped blood from a living dog into the head of the murderer and rapist Menesclou three hours after execution. The lips trembled, the eyelids twitched, and the head seemed about to speak, although no words emerged. In 1905 another doctor claimed that when he called the name of the murderer Languille just after decapitation, the head opened its eyes and focused on him.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns...d-remain-briefly-conscious-after-decapitation
As a serial decapitatress, perhaps Sam can tell us.
Do the eyes of the mice look surprised when you top them?
The knife is never too dull, or should not ever be; a Kosher slaughterer must have bona fide licensed witnesses else it is not kosher. I still say the Kosher mode socks the d lights of the stuns. Hint: which group of humanity commited the most savagery and mass murders? Hint: the 'we don't care' people.
A close perusal of the Hebrew laws, all vested in humane laws, says that if a scripture has no animal rights laws - it is a localized self centred, politically oriented bogus scripture. The laws of kosher are firmly intended as a humane mode of slaughter - 1000's of years before stun guns appeared. Bite the bullet or display impundent ignorance.
This coming from the one who rationalizes shamelessly...
Well, it's perfectly possible that the humans at the time decided that it seemed more humane to make a quick death than a slow and painful one.
And lacking todays equipment, they used what they had. And they wrote down the method.
Nice.
But if Genesis was so perfect... Why did God not tell them how to make the stun gun to do it better as we do today?
Predicting, of course, that the Kosher method would become obsolete, it should have been writ that thou must stunneth your prey rather then sliceth its throat slowly.
Because then you would complain Genesis is a forgery - there were no stun guns 3,500 years ago.
Because then you would complain Genesis is a forgery - there were no stun guns 3,500 years ago.
You DO realize that you just walked into a confession that the modern method is more humane than the kosher method, right?