I don't know of any countries where stun-free slaughter is banned (halal or otherwise). But I do know of plenty of places where foie gras is controversial. California has passed a law banning the production, import and sale of foie gras (doesn't take effect until 2012 though), for example.
Should we ban the Kosher/Halal method of killing unstunned animals?
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I don't know of any countries where stun-free slaughter is banned (halal or otherwise). But I do know of plenty of places where foie gras is controversial. California has passed a law banning the production, import and sale of foie gras (doesn't take effect until 2012 though), for example.
I once tried foie gras and seriously, I have no clue why it still exists. A normal liver has this distinctive taste and I find it disgusting. Anyway after hearing left and right "Foie Gras, Foie Grasssss!" I gave it a shot to see why it's so 'in' .. ---> 
uke: I don't know how eating an unhealthy liver has any positive sides about it, I mean, you are what you eat, no?
Secondly, it's really sad and disgusting how those geese and ducks are being force fed.
And anyway, before we can single out groups for their traditions on how to treat animals we should clean up our own mess and get rid of those atrocities we commit against animals each minute. Though, yes, I'm against the Kosher/Halal killing method of animals. If the animal, or blood is so dirty to them they should just stop eating meat altogether instead of killing God's creations in such a cruel fashion. I mean seriously, where's their respect for God's creation? God's creation is dirty so we have to slaughter it in a brutal way to eaaaat it!!!
uke: I don't know how eating an unhealthy liver has any positive sides about it, I mean, you are what you eat, no?Secondly, it's really sad and disgusting how those geese and ducks are being force fed.
And anyway, before we can single out groups for their traditions on how to treat animals we should clean up our own mess and get rid of those atrocities we commit against animals each minute. Though, yes, I'm against the Kosher/Halal killing method of animals. If the animal, or blood is so dirty to them they should just stop eating meat altogether instead of killing God's creations in such a cruel fashion. I mean seriously, where's their respect for God's creation? God's creation is dirty so we have to slaughter it in a brutal way to eaaaat it!!!
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Meh, that all depends. Migratory birds (such as those that foie gras are made from) naturally engage in gorging behavior every year ahead of the migration, so that they won't starve to death during the weeks of flying all day (which leaves little time for finding food and resting). The disturbing cases are when the gavage is done on an industrial scale with little concern for the animals, which results in damage to their digestive tracts and other problems (and they are kept in nasty, cramped conditions like most industrial poultry operations in the first place).
The same place as that of many of God's various carnivorous creations, presumably. Ever watch what happens to geese and ducks when their natural predators get ahold of them? It's significantly less humane than anything at issue in this thread. If God is okay with snakes devouring baby ducks while they're still alive, or predatory cats disemboweling live land mammals, it's difficult to see why he'd be concerned with how much pain humans inflict on their food.
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To be honest, I don't really care how they slaughter the animal.
I just want my burgers and steaks.
If it really bothers people how this is done, I recommend becoming a vegetarian. Though I doubt many will, just because of the killing process.
I just want my burgers and steaks.
If it really bothers people how this is done, I recommend becoming a vegetarian. Though I doubt many will, just because of the killing process.
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I grew up on a farm.
We didn't slaughter our own hogs or moo-cows, but the chickens were dispatched at home, quickly and efficiently. My mother was known to blow the head off of a mean rooster or two. Not really good eating meat, but made good broth.
We also hunted deer. I never got past my squeamishness in cleaning the dead beasts, but I don't begrudge others for doing that job for me.
Where do people think their burgers and chops come from? Modern farms use a "stun" gun (that is: a shot-gun like device that smashes skull fragments into the brain). It's quick and painless. The cows merrily go up to their feeding pen, stick their heads through the slot to get some grub, and BAM. The deed is done.
I get cheeseburgers out of the deal. I don't see the down side.
~String
superstring01
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exactly predation in any form is not pretty.
I'm not the expert here but what I reported is correct. The jugular is seen in the life and death inherent knowledge in wild life - watch some wild life docs and see how a lion stops a zebra. These laws are not limited to one instance, but appear spread over the whole issue against cruelty to animals.
As I said, all animal rights laws come from the Hebrew bible exclusively, including those which animal rights advocates stand by. It says, let no one boast about animal welfare without following the Hebrew laws. The boiling of live shell fish becomes forbidden; so does holed up chickens; killing the same family together; consuming shark fins taken when the animal is alive, etc. Yes, this is worse than meat consuming - it renders us eating 'pain' and WE BECOME WHAT WE EAT applies. One for follows these laws make better animal rights protectors than vegetarians:
FEED THE ANIMAL BEFORE YOURSELF [If you own a domestic animal, its life is your responsibility].
NO HOLE IN THE GROUND IN AN ANIMAL'S VICINITY [Safe environment, including in transportation for slaughter].
NOT TO MUZZLE A WORKING ANIMALS MOUTH [Food means more to an animal than for humans].
MONITORED SLAUGHTER. [As in a doctor performing an operation]
HYGIENCE AND HEALTH EXAMINATION [including checking inner organs].
NOT TO CONSUME A LIVING OR NATURALLY DEAD CREATURE.
NOT TO TAKE THE MOTHER AND OFFSTRING TOGETHER [OF ANY CREATURE].
NOT TO MIX THE KID IN ITS MOTHER'S MILK.
Etc, etc.
ditto.
But I do care how they are raised. I won't eat veal or lamb. And I try to buy farm raised animals, not factory/feed lot raised.
Ever had bacon that wasn't cured? YUMMY!!!! Its like a mini pork chop with crispy fat
No, I've never tried it that way.. Sure does sound good though..
And now, I'm truly hungry.
Yep, I think they call it side pork here.
Wow, that's a lot of meat.. I just buy for myself.
I'm going to check on that next time I go to the store though.. Sounds great.