Should men have a say in abortion ?

[Musika]

So, "poor reader" instead of "dishonest." Great.

I understand that it's popular to imagine what others are saying rather than ask for a clarification, but I prefer not to.

OK, a simple acknowledgement of dependence does in on way imply that said dependence is "abhorrent."


Being forced to carry a pregnancy to term, against one's wishes, does not make motherhood a "punishment." And "thing?" That's not even worth addressing.

Then, the question I would bring to those people who made those comments, would be "Why bring it up in the discussion?"
If not to correlate dependence with expendibility, or birthing a child as some sort of punishment, why bring it to the discussion?

If they want to say it wasn't to highlight some sort of abhorrence/forfeiture of everything or punishment, what was the ".... therefore" they were intent on tagging to the material they were introducing to the discussion?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

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Why can't you answer the actual question?

Instead, you attempt to change the narrative and subject to something else altogether and in the process, present an even more ridiculous example.

Should a pregnant woman have a final say over what she consumes or ingests? Really? We are now down to discussing whether adult women should have what they consume controlled by men?

Yes, she should have the final say over whether she smokes, drinks, or aborts.

It's not your body. Nor is it any of your business.

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I don't know what society you happen to live in, but generally, in civilised societies, women are not punished for drinking, smoking and ending their pregnancies.

The 17th century called. They want your misogynistic and paternalistic opinions back.

and computers, health care, hospitals, cars and cell phones and ovens and microwaves and penicillin... the list continues.
Vaccines... infant mortality. labour laws...

do they want their thalidomide and polio back ?

back in the good ol days ...
such a bunch of morally bankrupt hypocrites playing god with womens bodys.

 

[parmalee]

Then, the question I would bring to those people who made those comments, would be "Why bring it up in the discussion?"
If not to correlate dependence with expendibility, or birthing a child as some sort of punishment, why bring it to the discussion?

If they want to say it wasn't to highlight some sort of abhorrence/forfeiture of everything or punishment, what was the ".... therefore" they were intent on tagging to the material they were introducing to the discussion?

Ermmm, because the topic of discussion is abortion?

You are a runner. You like to run. However, you've twisted your ankle. Being compelled to run under those circumstances might be construed as a punishment. Does that make running under any and all circumstances a punishment?

This is ridiculous.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

(just look at the length and breadth of your post, for instance),

look how big my penis is

and that's what I was beginning to address.

i was going to do what you wanted but now you have your own opinion im not going to do it out of spite to show i control me and i control you at the same time because im a control freak

Clueless decided not to proceed.

vague collective group shaming attempt

As for your claim of reading this thread closely for the past week, I don't see any evidence for it

oh no it isnt...

but thanks for your participation anyway.

im the nicest person and YOU are the unreasonable one so im such a nice guy its amazing im so nice...

 

[RainbowSingularity]

This is ridiculous.

it's not ridiculous when you are playing god with other peoples bodys and lives at no personal risk(coward?)
sheesh ! try and keep up

the heart of misogyny is the psychopathic narcissist
it must play god with others to avoid developing empathy

because empathy is the evil emotions that undermine control of everyone else.

the broken record of the consciousness goes around and around

you are arguing with people who only agree that slavery is wrong because their has been a law made about it.

 

[Musika]

Ermmm, because the topic of discussion is abortion?

You are a runner. You like to run. However, you've twisted your ankle. Being compelled to run under those circumstances might be construed as a punishment. Does that make running under any and all circumstances a punishment?

This is ridiculous.

So in regards to abortion/motherhood, what is the parrallel?
What is it precisely that one may "like to do"? And what would be the equivalent of an extraneous disruptive crippling event, such as twisting one's ankle?

 

[Jeeves]

And what would be the equivalent of an extraneous disruptive crippling event, such as twisting one's ankle?

Just try it two, three times. You'll figure it out.

 

[parmalee]

So in regards to abortion/motherhood, what is the parrallel?
What is it precisely that one may "like to do"? And what would be the equivalent of an extraneous disruptive crippling event, such as twisting one's ankle?

Oh, right--I forgot your m.o.

Here, this will give you more to work with:

You're a coprophage. You like to eat feces. However, you're full. Being compelled to eat feces under those circumstances might be construed as a punishment. Does that make eating feces under any and all circumstances a punishment?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Oh, right--I forgot your m.o.

Here, this will give you more to work with:

You're a coprophage. You like to eat feces. However, you're full. Being compelled to eat feces under those circumstances might be construed as a punishment. Does that make eating feces under any and all circumstances a punishment?

"the sport of abortion" ?... "why men need to stay in control" ...

 

[wegs]

To the pro-life men - why should you (and men in general) have a say in abortion? That's the question, really. Nothing more or less.

You have stated why you feel abortion is wrong in this thread, (and other thread derailing comments beyond that), but not why you should have a voice in the matter?

 

[billvon]

Anyone? You're not making stuff up again, are you?

Nope. It has been proven that education reduces the odds of someone "chain smoking" - and it has been proven that education is an important part of strategies that reduce people "consuming copious amounts of alcohol."

https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/assets/factsheets/0051.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Promotion_in_Preventing_Alcohol_Related_Harm

Meanwhile, to get back to the topic, it is always up to the woman whether she smokes or drinks (or gets an abortion.)

 

[Musika]

Nope. It has been proven that education reduces the odds of someone "chain smoking" - and it has been proven that education is an important part of strategies that reduce people "consuming copious amounts of alcohol."

https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/assets/factsheets/0051.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Promotion_in_Preventing_Alcohol_Related_Harm

Reducing the odds does not equal "anyone".
The fact that even health professionals can succumb to the habit indicates it's not something that is curbed solely from access to knowledge.

Meanwhile, to get back to the topic, it is always up to the woman whether she smokes or drinks (or gets an abortion.)

Yet even you can work with the issue of reducing the odds, under certain conditions, without having recourse to outright prohibition on the platform of legislation.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

soo... you have a 15 year old pregnant boy
his parents are split on if he should have an abortion
one says yes
the other says no
which one should the gynopeniologist listen to ? proctopenialpathologist ?
the mother or the father ?

should the boy have a casting deciding vote in what happens to be stuck up his ... & done to him inside...

(you cant say that kind of thing because it upsets my gender and sexual orientation xenophobic brainwashing)

 

[Musika]

To the pro-life men - why should you (and men in general) have a say in abortion? That's the question, really. Nothing more or less.

You have stated why you feel abortion is wrong in this thread, (and other thread derailing comments beyond that), but not why you should have a voice in the matter?

http://www.sciforums.com/threads/should-men-have-a-say-in-abortion.161939/page-3#post-3578953

It was addressed way back when. In short, if you want to play direct involvement as the first and last word in advocacy, society starts to look strange, and it's not too difficult to fast track any sort of agenda.

 

[Musika]

Oh, right--I forgot your m.o.

Here, this will give you more to work with:

You're a coprophage. You like to eat feces. However, you're full. Being compelled to eat feces under those circumstances might be construed as a punishment. Does that make eating feces under any and all circumstances a punishment?

So once again, the extraneous condition, regarding motherhood/abortion you are trying to highlight is?

 

[parmalee]

So once again, the extraneous condition, regarding motherhood/abortion you are trying to highlight is?

You asked, (in pregnancy), "what would be the equivalent of an extraneous disruptive crippling event, such as twisting one's ankle?" A lot of possibilities there, but they all come down to "becoming pregnant when one does not wish to be."

With my second example, I was simply trying to come up with a more trivial, or repugnant, matter for which you could employ your dishonest tactics by suggesting I equate pregnancy with running or coprophagia.

Now, explain how stating that compelling a person to carry a pregnancy to term, when she has no desire to, is akin to punishment is equivalent to stating that "motherhood is a punishment."

 

[wegs]

http://www.sciforums.com/threads/should-men-have-a-say-in-abortion.161939/page-3#post-3578953

It was addressed way back when. In short, if you want to play direct involvement as the first and last word in advocacy, society starts to look strange.

Okay. So, if a man should have a say in the matter, what is his responsibility level? If you feel that women shouldn't be permitted to have abortions (or maybe there are restrictions, etc) how much accountability should men have, if they willingly engaged in unprotected sex, and said women end up pregnant?

As I read through this thread, it seems that the pro-life stance is about placing the entire responsibility and consequence of having unprotected sex, upon women. It takes two to tango as they say, and men need to be just as responsible for the outcomes of unprotected sex.

 

[Musika]

You asked, (in pregnancy), "what would be the equivalent of an extraneous disruptive crippling event, such as twisting one's ankle?" A lot of possibilities there, but they all come down to "becoming pregnant when one does not wish to be."

And that is an alternative to construing motherhood as punishment?

With my second example, I was simply trying to come up with a more trivial, or repugnant, matter for which you could employ your dishonest tactics by suggesting I equate pregnancy with running or coprophagia.

Sometimes in discussions like these, it is apparent that certain parties hold it as more important to sustain their hatred of the opposition than work in any way to solve or de-escalate the issue at hand.

Now, explain how stating that compelling a person to carry a pregnancy to term, when she has no desire to, is akin to punishment is equivalent to stating that "motherhood is a punishment."

Its not obvious?
If she is not the mother of the child, who is?
If, in this case, the act of being a mother (motherhood) is not being labelled as some sort of punishment, what do you propose it to be?

 

[Bells]

The "actual question" comes with quite a bit of packaging (just look at the length and breadth of your post, for instance), and that's what I was beginning to address.
Clueless decided not to proceed.
As for your claim of reading this thread closely for the past week, I don't see any evidence for it .... but thanks for your participation anyway.

The actual question was essentially asking if you believe women should have the right to their fundamental human rights and bodily autonomy. That you are completely incapable of answering and instead choose to change the subject and then declare it had "quite a bit of packaging" speaks volumes.

 

[Bells]

If, in this case, the act of being a mother is not being labelled as some sort of punishment, what do you propose it to be?

Something something about forcing women to remain pregnant and give birth against their will and without their consent goes here.

Reasonable people will understand how and why this would be horrific.

Why can't you?

Do you think it is acceptable to force women to remain pregnant and to give birth without their consent and against their will?

A simple yes or no will suffice.