Should compassion be a part of the justice system?

Should anyone be releaced on compassionate grounds

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Asguard said:
yes well queensland is not exactly the best example of a "good" goverment in the country. its the most corupt goverment even compared to some of the local counciles.
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No more than any other State Government. Queensland politicians just aren't as good as hiding it.

anyway would the US system be better, worse or the same?
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No system is better, worse or the same as any other. Simply because every system is quite different in their own way. Comparing one to the other will always give false findings as a result.

GeoffP said:
True, but they'd still be rotting in jail all that time.
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And many are.

It isn't the compassion of the justice system that releases innocent individuals. It is the compassion of lawyers who work as volunteers, along with lobby groups who work for free who work to have the verdicts against innocent individuals overturned. Many universities who teach law now have 'innocent projects' where law students work for free with their law professors to pore over cases and evidence that just do not add up or that indicate a guilty verdict was not the correct verdict. The justice system in and of itself has no compassion. It is the people who work in and around the justice system who have to have compassion to do it.

Well, thank God. What are you guys doing now? Did you relocate far? (Maybe PM is better for this.)
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I got a dream job basically. I had put out some feelers without expecting to hear anything back. I figured it would take a year or two, but within a few weeks, I was offered a position. So we moved and now I am a 20 minute train commute to work. Hubby is staying home with the kids and doing some work from home. We have both decided to not return to our previous house that was damaged by the storm, as we would both be paranoid each time we had another storm or it rained too hard. We're happy where we are at the moment. We were just lucky that the tenants of one of our houses in the area we were looking to buy in decided to buy his own house, so we did some minor renovations to suit our needs and moved in instead. Life is good now.:D And there is a wonderful day care centre about 5 minutes away, where our children are now on the waiting list for a couple of days a week.. to help them learn how to socialise with kids their own age and because they need the distraction frankly. Now the kids have their own playroom again and we're not forever stepping on lego and matchbox cars. LIFE IS GOOD!!!

Now I just need to convince my husband that he needs to stop spending over $300 a week on lego (apparently the kids "need" all of it:rolleyes: ) and life will be even better.
 
S.A.M. said:
Its the equivalent of a prisoner of war being released after decades. Don't forget what these people have experienced at the hands of western governments. And what their neighbors are still experiencing. Imagine if some one from your country was taken hostage by the Taliban, put through a sharia trial that was obviously rigged and sent to prison for life. Then he was released because he was dying. Would a Prime Minister or President come to meet him?
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Sam you are WRONG .
The people believed and still believe he was and he is INNOCENT .
Not a prisoner of war .
 
mike47 said:
Sam you are WRONG .
The people believed and still believe he was and he is INNOCENT .
Not a prisoner of war .
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I am definitely willing to consider your position. I went and look at articles in English language Libyan papers - all of which were critical of the West - and I read people who thought he was innocent and others who thought he was a hero. A man who is unjustly imprisoned for a crime is not a hero. So my impression is that people's views in Libya vary. And I still think that welcome was wrongly handled.

This does not mean that the West handles welcome home receptions well or is better, more civilized or somehow remotely innocent. I am very critical of the West's dealings in the Middle East.

But I still think this welcoming smelled bad.

They could have made it clear they were not welcoming home someone they thought killed civilians randomly. I think people in the West, for example family members of those killed in the plane explosion, would have reacted rather differently if they had.
 
I saw some interviews on Al Jazeera in English .
People were saying he is innocent .
They are not saying....he did it and we love him .
 
S.A.M. said:
Its the equivalent of a prisoner of war being released after decades. Don't forget what these people have experienced at the hands of western governments. And what their neighbors are still experiencing. Imagine if some one from your country was taken hostage by the Taliban, put through a sharia trial that was obviously rigged and sent to prison for life. Then he was released because he was dying. Would a Prime Minister or President come to meet him?
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I should have also said

If the West does something wrong,which it often, certainly does, or would do something wrong, this does not excuse wrongdoing by others.

If I said 'The Libyans and an evil people, look what they did on this date'

then your answer makes more sense.

It sends the wrong message not to make it clear what they are celebrating and how they view the returning person.
 
mike47 said:
I saw some interviews on Al Jazeera in English .
People were saying he is innocent .
They are not saying....he did it and we love him .
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I saw no one come out and say he did it. I did see people refer to him as a hero. To come out and directly say he did it would be to call him a liar.
 
a guy steals money for gambling
a guy steals money to feed his family

Yeah, the crimes are identical, but the reasons aren't. I do think compassion should be shown for one.
 
Doreen said:
I saw no one come out and say he did it. I did see people refer to him as a hero. To come out and directly say he did it would be to call him a liar.
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And that is exactly the point .
They all believe he is innocent .
I must add that a full inquiry should be launched to clear the mess of this trial which more political than juridical .
As a person I want some answers . The trial was a farce .
 
mike47 said:
And that is exactly the point .
They all believe he is innocent .
I must add that a full inquiry should be launched to clear the mess of this trial which more political than juridical .
As a person I want some answers . The trial was a farce .
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Then there wouldnt be people who refer to him as a hero. Being falsely accused and imprisoned does not make one a hero.
 
Compassion is a part of any justice system. Compassion and justice go hand in hand.

Even locking somebody up is deemed as being compassionate to the rest of the community in order to save them from the incarcerated one!
 
An odd bit of trivia, a friend was supposed to be on that flight, but got held over last second.
 
Asguard said:
really cosmic, what if its 3 loaves of bread because your staving?

God the US is turning into England when they used to ship convicts over to Australia
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A loaf of bread is barely even a misdemeanor. It takes felonies to get in three strikes. A Felony is Assault and battery, Grand Theft, Murder, Arson....that level of crime
 
TW Scott said:
A loaf of bread is barely even a misdemeanor. It takes felonies to get in three strikes. A Felony is Assault and battery, Grand Theft, Murder, Arson....that level of crime
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Really horrible stuff like getting high.
 
Without stating an opionion on this specific case...
Justice is impossible without compassion.
 
Convicts should either be immediately killed or released under some kind of restitution program. There is no logical reason to have anything in between, like prisons.
 
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