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How about we think of it this way:

You have greater operational range, turn speed, speed and ammunition capacity

I have supermanuverbility, superior avionics and electronics countermeasures, climb rate and stealth.

Seems fair to me.
 
Shogun said:
How about we think of it this way:

You have greater operational range, turn speed, speed and ammunition capacity

I have supermanuverbility, superior avionics and electronics countermeasures, climb rate and stealth.

Seems fair to me.
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That's 4 to 6 ...

besides the fact that I also have supermaneuverability... And the forward swept wings at least make climb rate equal... or close.
 
fedr808 said:
That's 4 to 6 ...

besides the fact that I also have supermaneuverability... And the forward swept wings at least make climb rate equal... or close.
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Well, the ATD-X have greater supermaneuverability due to 3D trust vectoring. Well , it is 4 to 5, well once you combine your 4, it is worth 5 of mine. Well anyways....yeah, climb rate equal, but I have supercruise.
 
OOC: Pretty much all 5th generation fighters including the SU-47, ATD-X, and the raptor can supercruise.

In game:

I touched down at the airfield and headed in for some lunch and a break.
 
fedr808 said:
OOC: Pretty much all 5th generation fighters including the SU-47, ATD-X, and the raptor can supercruise.

In game:

I touched down at the airfield and headed in for some lunch and a break.
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Out of Game: Su-47 is technically 4.5 or 4.5 to 5th, since it does not have sufficient stealth ( they have no stealth ). It is a technology demonstrator, much like the F-15 STOL/MTD. Also, F-22 have a lot faster supercruise.
 
OOC: The problem with the ATD-X is that almost no specific information can be found on it.

General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 14.174m ()
Wingspan: 9.099m ()
Height: 4.514m ()
Max takeoff weight: 8t ()
Powerplant: 2× IHI XF5-1 afterburning turbofans
Dry thrust: ? () each
Thrust with afterburner: 5t () each
Performance
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that is about as much as we know about it, in a year we will know more with it's first test flight.
 
fedr808 said:
OOC: The problem with the ATD-X is that almost no specific information can be found on it.



that is about as much as we know about it, in a year we will know more with it's first test flight.
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Well, it have everything the F-22 has but more. They already built one. It have more powerful engines ( which I assume faster speed, and climb rate ). It probably will have AT LEAST or even more control surfaces. 3D trust vectoring, Self-Repairing Flight Control, Flight by optics .ect
 
Shogun said:
Out of Game: Su-47 is technically 4.5 or 4.5 to 5th, since it does not have sufficient stealth ( they have no stealth ). It is a technology demonstrator, much like the F-15 STOL/MTD. Also, F-22 have a lot faster supercruise.
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It's a fifth generation fighter, you dont have to have stealth (besides which the production models do have stealth paint).

Im talking about if this fighter were to become a production fighter. If you want to shoot down my use of the plane because it may or may not become a real fighter than I can say that about the ATD-X because it does not even exist yet outside of the drawing board. So lets not use that argument.

Here, why dont we just use the stats in terms of numbers.

Here is the SU-47

General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 22.6 m (74 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 15.16 m to 16.7 m (49 ft 9 in to 54 ft 9 in)
Height: 6.3 m (20 ft 8 in)
Wing area: 61.87 m² (666 ft²)
Empty weight: 16,375 kg (36,100 lbs)
Loaded weight: 25,000 kg (55,115 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 35,000 kg (77,162 lbs)
Powerplant: 2× Lyulka AL-37FU(planned) Flying prototypes used 2 Aviadvigatel D-30F6 afterburning, thrust-vectoring (in PFU modification) turbofans with digital control
Dry thrust: 83.4 kN (18,700 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 142.2 kN (32,000 lbf) each
Thrust vectoring: ±20° at 30° per second in pitch and yaw
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.6 (Achieved in test flights [3]) (1,717 km/h, 1,066 mph),projected 2710 km/h
* At sea level: Mach 1.14 (1,400 km/h, 870 mph[1])
Cruise speed: projected 1,800 km/h on dry thrust, 2650 km/h on full thrust
Range: 3,300 km (2,050 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,050 ft)
Rate of climb: 233 m/s (46,200 ft/min)
Wing loading: 360 kg/m² (79.4 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.18 when fully loaded,1.15 when empty
Armament


Number of hardpoints: 14: 2 wingtip, 6-8 under wing, 6-4 conformal under fuselage

Guns: 1 × 30 mm GSh-30-1 cannon with 150 rounds
Missiles: 14 hardpoints (2 wingtip, 6-8 underwing, 4-6 conformal under the fuselage)
Air-to-air: R-77, R-77PD, R-73, K-74
Air-to-surface: X-29T, X-29L, X-59M, X-31P, X-31A, KAB-500, KAB-1500
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here is the F-22:

General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 62 ft 1 in (18.90 m)
Wingspan: 44 ft 6 in (13.56 m)
Height: 16 ft 8 in (5.08 m)
Wing area: 840 ft² (78.04 m²)
Airfoil: NACA 64A?05.92 root, NACA 64A?04.29 tip
Empty weight: 43,430 lb (19,700 kg[2][184])
Loaded weight: 64,460 lb (29,300 kg[185])
Max takeoff weight: 83,500 lb (38,000 kg)
Powerplant: 2× Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 Pitch Thrust vectoring turbofans
Dry thrust: 23,500 lb[186] (104 kN) each
Thrust with afterburner: 35,000+ lb[2][186] (156+ kN) each
Fuel capacity: 18,000 lb (8,200 kg) internally,[2][184] or 26,000 lb (11,900 kg) with two external fuel tanks[2][184]
Performance

Maximum speed:

At altitude: Mach 2.25 (1,500 mph, 2,410 km/h)[87]
Supercruise: Mach 1.82 (1,220 mph, 1,963 km/h)[87]
Range: 1,600 nmi (1,840 mi, 2,960 km) with 2 external fuel tanks
Combat radius: 410 nmi[183] (471 mi, 759 km)
Ferry range: 2,000 mi (1,738 nmi, 3,219 km)
Service ceiling: 65,000 ft (19,812 m)
Wing loading: 77 lb/ft² (375 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 1.08 (1.26 with loaded weight & 50% fuel)
Maximum g-load: -3.0/+9.0 g[87]

USAF poster overview of key features and armamentArmament


Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61A2 Vulcan gatling gun in starboard wing root, 480 rounds
Air to air loadout:
6× AIM-120 AMRAAM
2× AIM-9 Sidewinder
Air to ground loadout:
2× AIM-120 AMRAAM and
2× AIM-9 Sidewinder for self-protection, and one of the following:
2× 1,000 lb (450 kg) JDAM or
2× Wind Corrected Munitions Dispensers (WCMDs) or
8× 250 lb (110 kg) GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs
Hardpoints: 4× under-wing pylon stations can be fitted to carry 600 US gallon drop tanks or weapons, each with a capacity of 5,000 lb (2,268 kg).[187][188]
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fedr808 said:
It's a fifth generation fighter, you dont have to have stealth (besides which the production models do have stealth paint).

Im talking about if this fighter were to become a production fighter. If you want to shoot down my use of the plane because it may or may not become a real fighter than I can say that about the ATD-X because it does not even exist yet outside of the drawing board. So lets not use that argument.

Here, why dont we just use the stats in terms of numbers.
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It has to have stealth to be fifth generation I believe, also Stealth paint will only help a bit, surface area, and edges also play a part. USA release much less information, due to the fact that they are combat aircraft in service, instead of a technology demonstrator, I mean Russia might give the contract to Mikoyan instead, they also have something on the drawing board, or they will merely use the Su-37, but I have no problem with you using it.

How about this:

You get: Speed ( maximum ), Ammunition Capacity, Turn Speed, and Operational Range

Me: Suprcruise, Avionics, Electronic Countermeasures, Supermanuverbility, and Stealth

Equal: Climb rate
 
Shogun shook his hand, the American said, "Lt. Colonel Robert Miller,"

Shogun saluted,

"Sir, I am Captain Shogun Minamoto,"

He smiled and said,

"Stand down, no need from formalities here,"
 
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sweet everybodies here.

Sorry I left early yesterday. I took this typhoid vaccine yesterday. Holy fuck it hurt. I took it in the pill form and I have a sensitive stomach. It hurt like fucking hell. I know pain, I broke my arm and had to get it reset in place without anesthesia, and the stomach pain I had yesterday came pretty damn close.

If you ever get offered a needle by a doctor for any reason whatsoever, it would be in your best intrest to take it. I still feel kinda queezy.
 
fedr808 said:
sweet everybodies here.

Sorry I left early yesterday. I took this typhoid vaccine yesterday. Holy fuck it hurt. I took it in the pill form and I have a sensitive stomach. It hurt like fucking hell. I know pain, I broke my arm and had to get it reset in place without anesthesia, and the stomach pain I had yesterday came pretty damn close.

If you ever get offered a needle by a doctor for any reason whatsoever, it would be in your best intrest to take it. I still feel kinda queezy.
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Ouch....hope you are feeling better. :D
 
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