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[Cris]

Who do you trust? Trust is useless without faith

Good grief, surely you know by now the difference between trust based on immense statistical evidence versus faith based on nothing. Perhaps you have not read my many posts where I have explained the critical differences. Do you need the lesson? The two meanings of the term faith are not interchangeable.

 

[Photizo]

Love is a real emotional state.

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God...for God is love.
In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent His only Son into the world, so that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we have loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another."

 

[davewhite04]

Your recent posts today do not appear to be responding to the topics or quoted texts - are you drunk or high on something?

I can't see that anything you just said has any bearing on the quoted text or reports anything that I have ever said or implied. It feels like you didn't read what I wrote and have concocted a nonsense and irrelevant response to what you think I might write based on some perverted perception you have created of me. Or are you just simply drunk?

I am referring to your previous posts which will be difficult to understand with seemingly unrelated quotes:

Cris said: "At its root a primary message of Christianity - love your neighbor - is extremely attractive in times of widespread warfare and strife."

I said: "You said it was an easy choice to make, to become a Christian and get thrown to the lions. "

Threads almost always evolve into other areas.

 

[davewhite04]

Good grief, surely you know by now the difference between trust based on immense statistical evidence versus faith based on nothing. Perhaps you have not read my many posts where I have explained the critical differences. Do you need the lesson? The two meanings of the term faith are not interchangeable.

Trust at its core is based on confidence and faith, because you simply do not know if the sun will rise.

 

[davewhite04]

Please explain.

I explained to Cris post: 384

 

[davewhite04]

Your recent posts today do not appear to be responding to the topics or quoted texts - are you drunk or high on something?

I've been high a couple of times, just the weed, in the past few weeks.

 

[davewhite04]

That's just a stimulation of a certain part of the brain. You can do that with a probe or with drugs for that matter.

I know some drugs give you a lovely hit, but it's all inside but feels great. My experience was external, I've explained this in another thread but if you want a recap just ask.

 

[Cris]

I am referring to your previous posts which will be difficult to understand with seemingly unrelated quotes:

Cris said: "At its root a primary message of Christianity - love your neighbor - is extremely attractive in times of widespread warfare and strife."

I said: "You said it was an easy choice to make, to become a Christian and get thrown to the lions. "

Threads almost always evolve into other areas.

Haha - mixed messages - confusion.

The intent was the message - make love not war. It is attractive from the perspective of a philosophical action plan. When war and violence present themselves, do not respond in kind but resist and make friends instead - defuse the problem. In times of peace there is no need of response. It is primarily when we are threatened that we need the courage to not be provocative. But there is no implication that to do so is simple or easy.

So the Jesus message - love your neighbor and your enemies is attractive within that context.

Hope that helps.

 

[spidergoat]

Trust at its core is based on confidence and faith, because you simply do not know if the sun will rise.

Confidence is not the same thing as religious faith. This is a problem of equivocation.

 

[spidergoat]

I know some drugs give you a lovely hit, but it's all inside but feels great. My experience was external, I've explained this in another thread but if you want a recap just ask.

No experiences are external.

 

[spidergoat]

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God...for God is love.
In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent His only Son into the world, so that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we have loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another."

If God were real, I would have to hate him for doing that to his son. It was pointless and cruel. No one can pay the price for one's own misdeeds, that makes no sense. It is in fact an extension of the primitive ritual known as scapegoating.

 

[Cris]

I've been high a couple of times, just the weed, in the past few weeks.

LOL - OK I was guessing but that can generate some bizarre behavior. I'll adjust accordingly.

 

[davewhite04]

Haha - mixed messages - confusion.

The intent was the message - make love not war. It is attractive from the perspective of a philosophical action plan. When war and violence present themselves, do not respond in kind but resist and make friends instead - defuse the problem. In times of peace there is no need of response. It is primarily when we are threatened that we need the courage to not be provocative. But there is no implication that to do so is simple or easy.

So the Jesus message - love your neighbor and your enemies is attractive within that context.

Hope that helps.

It is seemingly evident that a minority of violent people practice the opposite of Jesus' message, not judging them, but do you think the world would be better if everyone just said "fuck it, let's just follow Jesus' message, it's pretty basic and easy to understand.". Many non Christians(probably like you, and deaf my brother(atheist) the message isn't required, being decent just comes naturlly.

 

[spidergoat]

I agree that the theology of Jesus was unlike what was prevalent at the time. It was revolutionary in it's own way, but then it was also the impediment to further revolution. I can see how people might have been attracted to it.

 

[davewhite04]

Confidence is not the same thing as religious faith. This is a problem of equivocation.

Agreed.

Maybe billions of people past and present didn't need "religious" faith? Most atheists I know are decent honest people, some transcend decent to great people.

 

[davewhite04]

No experiences are external.

In your experience and what science says. My experience was external(if your reading Cris, i didn't partake in smoking weed back then )

 

[davewhite04]

If God were real, I would have to hate him for doing that to his son. It was pointless and cruel. No one can pay the price for one's own misdeeds, that makes no sense. It is in fact an extension of the primitive ritual known as scapegoating.

Jesus' crucifixion give eternal hope to billions of people, if i had the chance i'd of done it.

 

[spidergoat]

In your experience and what science says. My experience was external(if your reading Cris, i didn't partake in smoking weed back then )

So who or what experienced it if it wasn't you?

 

[davewhite04]

So who or what experienced it if it wasn't you?

As explained in another post to you, I'm ceasing to take discussion of my subjective experience.

 

[Photizo]

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God...for God is love.
In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent His only Son into the world, so that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we have loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another."