The quote in question does not suggest one is a clown or jester.
I did not say that it did.
I think the statement made in the quote recognised that the fool was a clever fella certainly if he was an atheist he was a clever fella.
The Fool was not necessarily a clown or jester back then ..things were different in the bronze age when folk did not know where the Sun went at night and made up stories to explain cosmology.
In any event I will interpret the quote to mean the opposite to what you intend as that approach supports my world view☺
A person who convinces the self, there is no God, and proceeds to act in that context, is, IMO, an unwise person.
That for me has so much more power than using words from the bronze age when folk did not know where the Sun went at night and made up stories to explain cosmology.
I respect you that you could express your opinion without reliance on words from the bronze age when they did not know where the Sun went at night and made up stories to explain cosmology.
My view is we have no need to rely on words from the bronze age when they did not know where the Sun went at night and made up stories to explain cosmology.
Heck they did not even know how to make steel...
There is no God as far as you're aware, therefore God could neither have inspired anyone, or manifest the material world. That is as far as we can go, in this discussion.
Although you have not commented upon the explaination as to why I considered the whole thing made up I will take your lack of comment to mean you are happy with my explaination as to why I say its all made up...well probably not entirely happy but no doubt you now accept it is all made up...there is no other conclusion one can arrive at...but I sure would have liked you to have acknowledged that my words although simple told the truth and that my explaination and evidence supported my proposition that its all made up.
Yes but I am not being deep.. I am not capable of going deep..so I will stick to my simple observation that its all made up and given that observation is the truth backed up with evidence any discussion can only be about made up stories of a mythical character invented by bronze age folk to explain a world they did not understand by employing superstition and make believe.
No need to go deep here...I have demonstrated its all made up and I hope you can fit the well evidenced truth into your world view.
Its all made up Jan.
Well I have said it before Jan.
I like you and respect your ability to start a thread that gets so many folk involved.
We all have flaws and your sidestepping will be seen by some as dishonest and therefore a flaw but I really see that ability somewhat as an art form ...so good on you.
And clearly arguing a case for there being a God will see you using all sorts of arguement skills because you are after all suggesting there is something you call God and do so with no evidence...most folk could not continue after the first couple of demands for evidence..so you really have a talent to hold a discussion upon stuff that is made up and unevidenced.
You wear down your opponents with old age.
However I do hope you realise that I do speak the truth that its all made up...I know that fact may make it difficult to hold a view that there is a God but that is where faith comes in...it really does not matter if I have presented the truth of the matter if you can muster your faith and say something like "well its made up but I know in my heart there is a God"
Thats what you need to disregard the facts and I believe your faith will take you past my inconvenient evidence that its all made up.
You talk to God whereas I have to talk to myself.
We both get answers that we feel we can trust so there is little difference between us.
I see my existence as eternal within my ability to experience reality and you do similar looking to an after life...the reality is we will die and others will know that but we will not.
Alex
