DaveC426913
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An excellent question, which I think everyone here wants to put to you.If water can not have the memory at all, what was the sense of claiming or checking it?
What is the sense in claiming or checking it?
An excellent question, which I think everyone here wants to put to you.If water can not have the memory at all, what was the sense of claiming or checking it?
This is also last line of your that post. I sccept my mistake, I should have slso quoted it.
If water can not have the memory at all, what was the sense of claiming or checking it?
An excellent question, which I think everyone here wants to put to you.
What is the sense in claiming or checking it?
No sense, when molecular presence is justified. I am just confused, how these molecular's existsnce or their effect in water was not practically traced while doing the exoeriment and varification? Science had quite precision testing tecnology.An excellent question, which I think everyone here wants to put to you.
What is the sense in claiming or checking it?
Because then it's not plain water, as we just explained.water come back in its origional structure instantly after active substance is diluted out. But when active snd other substsnce still exist in that water consistently, how it will come back to its origional form of plain water?
Nope. Once again:Here, where memory of water will still exist consistently. Not so?
I agree.Because then it's not plain water, as we just explained.
Nope. Once again:
If there is something dissolved in it, it is not plain water. It is water with something dissolved in it.
If there is nothing dissolved in it, it is plain water. There's no "memory."
Very simple. Do you disagree?
Because there are two different types of people involved:... how these molecular's existsnce or their effect in water was not practically traced while doing the exoeriment and varification? Science had quite precision testing tecnology.
Because there are two different types of people involved:
1. Homeopaths - who are not scientists but make money off convincing gullible people that they should pay homeopaths good money for the homeopaths to sell them plain ol' water at outrageous prices so they can make a living. These people have a powerful motivation ($$$) for homeopathy to seem valid.
2. Scientists - who actually studied homeopathy scientifically, and found there's no science behind it. These people have no motivation to fake results of their tests.
Great!I agree.
No so great. Now you are back to woo.Whatever way you can take it. Whole sense if information of active substances remain present in higher potentized remedies.
Then, what was the real purpose behind claiming and varifying memory of water theory?Great!
No so great. Now you are back to woo.
You must be a very confused person.
Its bullshit, plain and simple woo bullshit. Are you connected in any way to that other questionable fringe stuff they call homeopathy?Then, what was the real purpose behind claiming and varifying memory of water theory?
Thanks for explaining. Yes it is routinely judged alike your post.Its bullshit, plain and simple woo bullshit. Are you connected in any way to that other questionable fringe stuff they call homeopathy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory#:~:text=Unproven claim that under certain,particles after arbitrarily large dilution.&text=Water memory is the purported,arbitrary number of serial dilutions.
Water memory is the purported ability of water to retain a memory of substances previously dissolved in it even after an arbitrary number of serial dilutions. It has been claimed to be a mechanism by which homeopathic remedies work, even when they are diluted to the point that no molecule of the original substance remains.
Water memory defies conventional scientific understanding of physical chemistry knowledge and is generally not accepted by the scientific community. In 1988, Jacques Benveniste published a study supporting a water memory effect amid controversy in Nature,[1] accompanied by an editorial by Nature's editor John Maddox[2] urging readers to "suspend judgement" until the results can be replicated. In the years following publication, multiple supervised experiments were run by Benveniste's team, the United States Department of Defense,[3] BBC's Horizon programme,[4] and other researchers, but no team has ever reproduced Benveniste's results in controlled conditions.
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To most scientists, the "memory of water" is not something that deserves serious consideration; the only evidence is the flawed Benveniste work.
No.information of active substsnces in lieu of memory of water is consistently present in higher/all potencies
It's "proof" only that some people are gullible.Millons of people in most part of the world is opting homeooathy consistently since long back n repeatedly, is itself is a live proof.
Yes.No.
It's "proof" only that some people are gullible.
Except that - with regard to the scientific facts on this subject - they are NOT well-educated or well-informed.We can/should not say/consider that these millions modern well educated and well informed are illitrate, innocent or idiots.
It is a well-known fact that an alarmingly large fraction of the public distrust science but trust woo.Yes.
We can/should not say/consider that these millions modern well educated and well informed are illitrate, innocent or idiots.
Money. If people can sell water as a remedy they can make a lot of money.Then, what was the real purpose behind claiming and varifying memory of water theory?
Millions of people in most parts of the world believe in Santa Claus. Millions think one side of the moon is always dark. Millions think that the seasons are caused by the Earth getting closer to, and farther from, the Sun. Millions think that microwave ovens make food radioactive.Millons of people in most part of the world is opting homeooathy consistently since long back n repeatedly, is itself is a live proof.
No, now it is not plain water. Molecular or information presence is now justified in thís topic. Why you want to keep yóur eyes still closed?Money. If people can sell water as a remedy they can make a lot of money.
Millions of people in most parts of the world believe in Santa Claus. Millions think one side of the moon is always dark. Millions think that the seasons are caused by the Earth getting closer to, and farther from, the Sun. Millions think that microwave ovens make food radioactive.
None of that makes their belief "proof."