SciContest! Why can't matter be made of photons?
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This thread is under review- and not by you.
Atoms don't "make" photons when they "shake around".
Energy is neither created nor destroyed- only CONSERVED.
They emit the excess photons that they have absorbed as a result of your "energizing the gas" with "excess heat".
You maybe you should look up the word "create" and then read up on Conservation of Energy.
See quote above.
Electrical induction is not creation. And it produces a current of electrons, not photons.
Does your review include current spectroscopic techniques? What you claim doesn't happen happens all the time, in equipment that measures how much of a particular frequency is absorbed; then there's flourescence and other emission modes, the use of polarising filters...Mike Honcho said:
When you can provide equipment makers with another explanation , or what happens when you simply flame different compounds and measure the spectrum, I might be convinced. For me, spectroscopy is no different than "shaking atoms around".
BTW, a current does propagate radiation - with a frequency identical to the change in momentum of the electrons in it.
If we need to discuss this further we should in another thread.
I would like to point out (as a final remark here) that you are adding energy to the systems in both spectroscopy and induction. Shooting atoms with photon beams in spectroscopy and physically moving charged quantities in induction. Both instances only support what is very entry level physics: Electrons absorb and emit photons.
You are not making atoms spontaneously create photons in either case. Come on guys. This is becoming a joke.
Spectroscopy is technology that lets you measure how many atoms spontaneously emit photons, and/or how many absorb photons. Essentially a measurement of radiation interacting with matter.
Get an electron to move somehow and it emits radiation - just by moving around you make electrons in you do this (not at significant energy levels); neural signals create radio-frequency emissions that we've been measuring for a while; there's a background of radiation propagating in all directions constantly. It's there and you can measure it.
P.S. If you "shoot photon beams" at atoms, where do the beams come from? How do you "make" them?
Get an electron to move somehow and it emits radiation - just by moving around you make electrons in you do this (not at significant energy levels); neural signals create radio-frequency emissions that we've been measuring for a while; there's a background of radiation propagating in all directions constantly. It's there and you can measure it.
P.S. If you "shoot photon beams" at atoms, where do the beams come from? How do you "make" them?
I've posted a new thread if you want to continue. We've hogged this one too much.
Why? You didn't even understand what we said to you and so you haven't considered our arguments.
Why? You didn't even understand what we said to you and so you haven't considered our arguments.
Please see my thread in the cesspool. I'll happily abuse you there. Gimp.
Sorry Ben, in my defense I did try to move the off topic arguments to its own thread.
I vote the last 1.5 pages gets trashed; since it's about trying to talk a couple of loony-tunes down from their tree.
And it didn't work...
I tried pointing out that light comes from atoms when you energise them - it works with sound even, but heat does the same. So light is related to excitation, or you can get something to emit light: infrared, all sorts of em radiation, across the spectrum at varied intensity, by energising it.
That's how spectroscopy works, I thought I'd mention.
And it didn't work...
I tried pointing out that light comes from atoms when you energise them - it works with sound even, but heat does the same. So light is related to excitation, or you can get something to emit light: infrared, all sorts of em radiation, across the spectrum at varied intensity, by energising it.
That's how spectroscopy works, I thought I'd mention.
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He doesn't even know what he wants to disagree with. He (and others) is like a dog chasing its tail.
He doesn't understand the points being considered and can't percieve his rebuttals don't really even relate to them.
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DwayneD.L.Rabon
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Ok, so guys exsplain, the difference between, white light and ultraviolet light. there after all a entire specturm of light to be exsplained. which should define the conditions of a photon.
DwayneD.L.Rabon
DwayneD.L.Rabon
If you take a look at the electromagnetic spectrum white light is the combination of all the visible rays which are around 10^-6 meters. When you shoot a beam of light from a flashlight into a prism you see all the rays that make up that one beam.
I believe you were referring to UV rays and not light. Those rays are simply at a higher frequency than visible light at 10^-8 meters.
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