Religion is Atheism

[S.A.M.]

Thanks. It seems clear to me, but I'm not a chauvinist scientist.

Thats ok. I am.

 

[nig]

If you wish to debate the differences between "religious" faith and "assessment of probability" faith then feel free.

Feel free to make up as many types of faith as you want to support your contentions. Just don't ecpect others' beliefs to be influenced by them.

 

[(Q)]

Well , the faith is that the test is measuring your observation accurately. This depends on knowing all the variables that go into that observation. Thats another part you take on faith.

You're confusing faith with confidence.

 

[S.A.M.]

You're confusing faith with confidence.

You mean assumptions. They are also based on absence of any evidence to the contrary.

 

[Sarkus]

Feel free to make up as many types of faith as you want to support your contentions. Just don't ecpect others' beliefs to be influenced by them.

Riiiight.

So to you "faith" is "faith"? Regardless of situation?

You can not see the difference between:
"Faith that my brother will pick me up from the airport like he said he would."

and

"Faith that there is a God who created the Earth but for which no evidence exists."?

I am using two extremes here to make my point that there is a difference of degree of "faith" between the kind where there is a lack of evidence and the kind that is nothing more than an assessment of probability based on evidence.

Can you see the distinction?

Or can you not see past the fact that the word "faith" is the same in both contexts and thus you feel they must be the same?

 

[nig]

c'mon guys. what about the widely held scientific faith in human free will despite the evidence, theories, and discoveries?

 

[nig]

sarkus

your brother said he would pick you up at the airport. he might not.

a preacher says god is real. he might not be.

 

[Sarkus]

your brother said he would pick you up at the airport. he might not.

a preacher says god is real. he might not be.

So you freely admit that God might not exist?
Why do you say this if you are theist (I am assuming you are a theist)?

Do you "believe" in God?

Why, if you also think he might not exist?


Are you one of the rather rare agnostic theists????

 

[nig]

i am an atheist. a non-agnostic one. that's why i think scientific faith is no better. its the same fallacy... just a fancier way of tricking oneself into believing things.

 

[S.A.M.]

i am an atheist. a non-agnostic one. that's why i think scientific faith is no better. its the same fallacy... just a fancier way of tricking oneself into believing things.

I love this.

 

[nig]

I love this.

it does contain some contradictions... but whatever. i ain't perfect.

 

[(Q)]

c'mon guys. what about the widely held scientific faith in human free will despite the evidence, theories, and discoveries?

Never heard of it. What scientific faith in human free will do you refer?

 

[nig]

scientists who lack education in epistemology are like christians if you ask me.

 

[S.A.M.]

scientists who lack education in epistemology are like christians if you ask me.

That word has a bad rep here.

 

[(Q)]

Again. What scientific faith in human free will do you refer?

 

[nig]

That word has a bad rep here.

which one scientist or epistemology?

 

[nig]

Again. What scientific faith in human free will do you refer?

I can safely estimate that 95% of scientists believe in free will. That one.

 

[S.A.M.]

which one scientist or epistemology?

Most scientists today are clueless about scientific philosophy, unfortunately.

 

[(Q)]

I can safely estimate that 95% of scientists believe in free will. That one.

That is entirely different than claiming science itself has determined free will.

 

[nig]

you seem to have stumbled into ... perhaps nihilism...

how would you know? cause i said something and described my way there? nihilism is cute because you can't have it explained to you... in terms i mean... uh... are those guys considered non-agnostic atheists or what? prime candidates.