Rationality versus religion
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yes..but still they claim to be atheist..
they are rejecting the religious idea of god more than likely. it is rather ludicrous and the religious details just add more to dislike or be abhorred by.
so, what do you expect? if one hates the concept of god, doesn't mean they actually do, it doesn't exist. now if it exists, then i guess they do hate god but as for now, there is no proof. so what is the point, again?
the issue with religion is that the concept can have power in itself and take on a life of it's own. it doesn't need to be proven as an entity. people will act on this concept and that is why there will be those who oppose if or find it even reprehensible for a variety of reasons.
ahh...there is a difference between those who believe in god and those that believe in religion..
so, what do you expect? if one hates the concept of god, doesn't mean they actually do, it doesn't exist. now if it exists, then i guess they do hate god but as for now, there is no proof. so what is the point, again?
that made my head go;
Squirrel
The rejection of belief in deity is often emotional. A child is raised to believe in a deity, and is conditioned from a young age to believe that rejection of that belief leads to punishment. However, that child develops that "terrible affliction" (from the view point of theists) - he or she learns to think rationally. The result is a rejection of deity. However, the emotional conflict is with all that sh!t rammed down the poor kid's throat about divine punishment.
No wonder that atheists often resent and are angry about theism.
The rejection of belief in deity is often emotional. A child is raised to believe in a deity, and is conditioned from a young age to believe that rejection of that belief leads to punishment. However, that child develops that "terrible affliction" (from the view point of theists) - he or she learns to think rationally. The result is a rejection of deity. However, the emotional conflict is with all that sh!t rammed down the poor kid's throat about divine punishment.
No wonder that atheists often resent and are angry about theism.
true enough..
with the exception, i would say the conflict is with those who had told him what to do and how to believe..not with god himself..
even if they learn to hate religion, it must be understood that religion doesn't always portray god accurately..so again it comes down to it is not gods fault that ppl screw it up..
That's because there are parts of the world where religion is trying to control what is taught in a science class. Science is literally under attack from some religions. In the US that attack is mainly from those who label themselves as Christians.
i never said there wasn't such a thing as stupid christians..
i just claim not all christians are the same..
speaking of stupid christians..my daughter was here..
And not all atheists are the same.
and not all theist are the same..
Squirrel
I have no argument with God, because I have seen no credible evidence that any such deity exists. It is not possible to have an argument with something that does not exist.
However, I have an argument with non rational beliefs and arguments. This extends way beyond religion, of course. I have a similar argument with those who believe in ghosts, little grey men from outer space, and most alternative medicines.
It is not so much the subject of such arguments I dislike. It is the lack of rationality.
I have no argument with God, because I have seen no credible evidence that any such deity exists. It is not possible to have an argument with something that does not exist.
However, I have an argument with non rational beliefs and arguments. This extends way beyond religion, of course. I have a similar argument with those who believe in ghosts, little grey men from outer space, and most alternative medicines.
It is not so much the subject of such arguments I dislike. It is the lack of rationality.
sound like you are sick of the 'script' of religico's
asgard?
i have become a fan of melatonin..helps me sleep..and helps my granddaughter get to sleep..she has been know to stay up for hours..(adhd)
emotions are not always rational..
i think a lot of people do hate religion and the idea of god for valid reasons, and i think those reasons are why some require that god be put in this box, or in a lab, and poked, examined, and manipulated, as if they can find a way to exploit god for their own purpose or agenda. and if you're going to do that then forget science. just be religious.
how does the premise that god is an intelligent entity that wants to have a personal relationship with you, that's all about you, factor into this desire to put god in a lab?
Why science?
Because science has proved itself in recent history. Over the past 400 years, it has progressed at a fantastic rate, delivering enormous benefits to humankind.
Religion, on the other hand, is stagnant. It has changed in its basic essence not at all. From the ancient Israelites who slaughtered their enemies in the name of Yahweh, to the Christians who burned witches. Even today, there are large numbers of religious right who would tie me to a stake in the middle of a bonfire, and fight for the right to light the match, because I am an unbeliever.
Religion is consistently barbaric and primitive. It has failed to meet the challenge of the age. And we are told to trust it rather than science. Yeah, riiight!
Because science has proved itself in recent history. Over the past 400 years, it has progressed at a fantastic rate, delivering enormous benefits to humankind.
Religion, on the other hand, is stagnant. It has changed in its basic essence not at all. From the ancient Israelites who slaughtered their enemies in the name of Yahweh, to the Christians who burned witches. Even today, there are large numbers of religious right who would tie me to a stake in the middle of a bonfire, and fight for the right to light the match, because I am an unbeliever.
Religion is consistently barbaric and primitive. It has failed to meet the challenge of the age. And we are told to trust it rather than science. Yeah, riiight!
Unfortunately god has not answered the door when many of us have knocked... For better or worse, we have not had an experience like yours. So what else have we got to go on? :shrug: