Would I gain sympathy from the majority of my peers if I had done something to cause the end of my abuser's life? Certainly. Would the courts have determined me to be legally insane and therefore not culpable. I highly doubt it and I would never even claim it as an excuse.
Battered woman defense on Wiki.
It turns out that the courts are willing to accept it as a defense, as long as certain legal criteria and while it may not necessarily excuse the crime in all jurisdictions, it is still a mitigating factor taken into account.
So are you suggesting that I should have killed him? He still terrorizes me; would you support my exoneration of crimes if I acted as a battered wife now? Interesting.
Regardless of whether or not you or your husband said that it was her boyfriend that beat her up neither Tiassa, Bells, nor myself claimed that it was, which was the point that I was ACTUALLY making.
I know they didn't make any claim to the contrary, why is this a point of contention?
My point was that you said:
Unless I am mistaken the boy that went to jail for beating her was NoT the father but a third party friend of the girl. And he went to jail for illegally trying to cause a miscarriage.
Yes, that is what I said. I don't see any accusations that anyone said other wise. I was simply stating an observation. Which apparently you agree with so I don't see the problem.
This was neither an assertion nor an assumption that I made.
Likewise, neither Tiassa or Bells asserted or assumed this.
Agreed, that is why I didn't accuse anyone of saying otherwise. If someone states an observation does that automatically accuse everyone else of denying it? If you state that the earth is round, am I to assume you are implying that I said it wasn't?
You've somehow managed to get the following exchange:
Twisted and distorted out of all perspective, and I'm not actually sure what you're trying to do with it here.
If my recollection was wrong, then so be it. I really don't care, I'm not invested - emotionally or intellectually - in the statement being correct, but if it wasn't said by you or your husband (I really don't care if it was or wasn't) then it wasn't said by anybody.
I agree, it wasn't said by anybody, so why make a big deal about it. Clearly NO ONE said the boy that beat her up was her boyfriend. And no one was accused of saying it was her boyfriend, except by your mistaken recollection. If it was an honest mistake that you seem willing to admit, then I don't see why the frustration over it at this point.
If I'm wrong on this point, then I'm wrong on this point, it really doesn't matter, because being wrong about it doesn't actually invalidate any other thing that I have said, and nothing I have said, apart from the statement itself, rests on it being correct.
Um... ok I agree it's a moot point. It is an isolated detail that does not affect the more important points that anyone is trying to make.
My reason for making the observation apparent is because I showed where Utah statutes on abortion make it illegal to coerce or intimidate someone into getting abortion. And since the only person involved that was convicted of a serious abortion related crime was the boy who beat her up,(the girl's crime was reduced and she was sent to a juvenile center, but for what crime was not stated in the article) I was confused as to why the boyfriend was not charged as an accessory to the crime the one who beat her up was convicted of. And confused as to why he wasn't charged with the separate crime of intimidating and coercing someone into having an abortion.
I was bringing up a totally new concern (a concern that advocates the girl's rights) in hopes of moving the conversation forward.
You're making a mountain out of a molehill, and using it as an excuse.
an excuse for what? I didn't accuse anyone of claiming it was the boyfriend, you position here is based on a false premise. I would be perfectly happy to put this confusion behind us and move on with the discussion.
Instead of complaining about people being dishonest, perhaps you could make more of an effort to get your own facts straight.
All the while you can't seem to get yours straight as I have clearly demonstrated. Noticing you still haven't answered my comments in red.