Actually Moses is mentioned in the history by Artapanus - it is only Jesus , that has never been mentioned outside the bible .........
*************Lord Insane said:The historian Artapanus , specified that Moses lived during the reign of Pharaoh Khaneferre - more that hundred years BEFORE Akhenaten ..............
That is a historical fact !!!!!!!!!!!
*************Lord Insane said:Sorry - I do not accept the BIBLE as historical fact !! I am NOT christian - only agnostic.....
But I do accept the historian Artapanus : Moses was the adopted child of Pharaoh Khaneferre - who lived more than hundred years before Akhenaten !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT is a fact !!!!!!!!
*************Nisus: MW, Tril, understand this-- for herein lies the truth.
You guys trying to undermine the Mosaic law, is like saying it doesn't know it's creator. Moses' works are known throughout the world, and have been known throughout history.
*************Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Isa. 29:16 So shall the Mosaic law say to Moses---You made me not?
*************These rituals and principles were followed by people for 1,000's of years. But they're not that ancient. It's clear who created the law, who made the tabernalce in the desert...
*************Moses' works testify of who he was. And he will always be remembered as a man of God.
But to them that deceive themselves, creating false ideas to govern their lives.*************
M*W: That can be equally said about you. You, too, deceive yourselves by believing in false ideas to govern your lives.
.Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow
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M*W: You are condemning what others believe. You are judging, not by reason, but by ignorance.
Medicine Woman said:You must not be aware of all the biblical archeological research that has been done by scholars of the subject.
*************Nisus: I can read documents of people 2k+ years ago that talk about Moses. Both Historical and Biblical ya doof.
*************you're looking back 3k+ years
*************Josephus only had to look back 1k+ He also had texts and documents available to him that we don't today.
*************Hecataeus, Berossus, Hesiod, Manetho
*************Ancient Historians; observed the movements of the Jews... some only 500-800 years after the death of Moses.
*************You need to get off the Altar of worshiping Ahmed Osman's ideas...
*************Like I said, Minds much greater than yours MW, pondered these same issues millenia before you were even born. And under greater evidence.You're in denial. Another with an oppressed religious comlex.
Medicine Woman said:Where are these documents? Today's biblical scholars and archeologists have concluded that the only ancient document that even mentions Moses is the bible.
Medicine Woman said:When I research the allegorical Moses, I go back 3,500 years to the beginning of the 18th dynasty. That includes the 225 years of Moses' ancestors before Moses/Akhenaten of Exodus fame.
Medicine Woman said:Josephus' writings were "devoid of historical value." (Gardiner, Alan H., Egypt of the Pharaohs, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1961).
Medicine Woman said:Manetho's historical writings were considered corrupt as they were based on Egyptian folklore. Each version one of the scribes wrote down was full of human error and were found to be objectionable. Josephus (70 AD) preserved Manetho's writings, but they have not been available for biblical scholars and archeologists to study.
Medicine Woman said:And how does this prove/disprove anything? The ancient Hebrews were the Egyptian nomadic tribe of Abiru. Mosaic Law was not independent, and Moses didn't originate those laws. The Ten Commandments were made up of the Hammurabic Code, centuries before Moses. Like it or lump it, Mosaic law was a false doctrine and an ancient misnomer.
Medicine Woman said:I don't worship anyone. Before Ahmed Osman, there was Sigmund Freud who researched Mosaic history. Freud, a Jew, concluded that Moses was wholly Egyptian.
Medicine Woman said:I have never said my mind was greater than anybody else's. I would be a fool to think such a thought. However, being in denial is not one of my weaknesses, and since I don't believe in a god, a dying demigod savior, or some false eternal life, I certainly not "oppressed with a religious complex." That would be you!
Nisus said:I don't know where you got that idea from, Josephus mentions Moses plenty. and his writings are 1900 years old.
Nisus said:They interacted heavily with Assyrians, Babylonians, Egyptians...
Nisus said:Well the information of the Dynasties come's from a Historian named Manethon of Sebennytos--who lived only 300 BC, only 2,300 years ago.
That where you get your data from, not any text that is 3,500 years old.
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So you Rely on Manetho to construct the dateline and chronology of the Dynasties... but you won't use Manetho for any other source of information?
Nisus said:"Hammurabi (1728 BC–1686 BC) felt he had to write the code to please his gods." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
He wrote it to please his gods...
how can you make that comparison when the first of the Ten Commandments is against Polytheism?
*************SkinWalker said:I've speculated a bit about the so-called Exodus and compared the story with what we know about chariotry in Egypt as well as foreign invaders/immigrants to the country, and I see the Hyksos as the most likely source of this legend. But it is with the reigns of Kamose/Ahmose that the earliest evidence of chariotry appears. And because the Jewish version of the so-called Exodus includes Egyptians on chariots, this is the earliest period it could have occured. Of course, this is speculation and most archaeologists date the so-called Exodus to the Ramesside period.