Could you elaborate on the premises that underlie your above conclusion?
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Could you elaborate on the premises that underlie your above conclusion?
elte
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It just seems reasonable that if God sees suffering and is good, God would want to stop it, but is unable. Or God is all powerful, but doesn't want to stop suffering, so can't be good. Goodness is compared to how humans can be good.
But there is a number of assumptions going into this that are taken for granted as true, such as:
1. All living beings are their bodies; the body is all there is to a living being's existence.
2. This life is all there is. There is no karma and no reincarnation.
3. God is a vending machine; or is evil, or doesn't exist.
1. Whether or not the body is the totality of our being, we still experience suffering, and no amount of afterlife can change that.
2. Again, poor compensation for a life of suffering.
3. God could answer some reasonable prayers as he is said to do, or he could just intervene in the most serious disasters before they happen. This would at least be consistent with the notion that we are his favorite creation. Or he's evil. Or he doesn't exist (which I prefer).
2. Again, poor compensation for a life of suffering.
3. God could answer some reasonable prayers as he is said to do, or he could just intervene in the most serious disasters before they happen. This would at least be consistent with the notion that we are his favorite creation. Or he's evil. Or he doesn't exist (which I prefer).
elte
Valued Senior Member
I don't know what to make of 3. But 1 and 2, yes. I probably don't like the implications any more than you do, if that helps any.
It's just a personal opinion. I've heard the life story of some very unfortunate people. It changes who they are. To say that an immortal soul is beyond such damage is to devalue life in general.
What do you mean?
Why?
If we are immortal souls, then all the hardships that we face and which leads us to think that there is no God, are just temporary circumstances that do not actually affect our identity.
elte
Valued Senior Member
I thought that you might wish for an afterlife that is better than this one, like I do.
Except for the religious notion that these temporary circumstances effect our eternal destiny in the afterlife (heaven, hell, limbo, etc...).
Pardon What is a life torture ? Could you give some example .
That which is temporary cannot effect nor affect that which is eternal.
So you don't believe in sin? And I suppose you don't think this universe has any importance to God. Because it's temporary and God is eternal.
so what's your solution to the problem of free will coupled with a lack of omnipotence?
For me? :m:
Frankly I don't see how a life time bereft of ever venturing into any issues of consequences (be them favourable or unfavourable) is even tenable ...
Ironically enough, offering a dream-like environment where one can assume any one of literally millions of different life forms in order to (falsely) experience the notion of independence is also what god has in mind for dealing with the problem ....