phlogistician said:
No I'm not. you have an anachronistic, romanticsed, and narrow view. Shaolin does not own kung fu!
Because they know they'd get their arse handed to them. Hide behind honour and spirituality all you like, kung Fu alone is not enough to prevail in a real fight.
And Kung Fu is based on Yoga, brought into China along with Buddhism. You seem to think that Shaolin is the root, when that is not true.
Vast? You seem narrow minded to me.
Claiming 'vast' knowledge when you're not even 21 sounds like a brag to me!
That is unfounded speculation. Modern fighters are well trained Martial Artists. UFC is an MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) competition. One of my best friends is a Kung Fu instructor, but takes groundfighting lessons from a guy that has fought (and won) in UFC stlye competitoins, and trains professional MMA fighters. He holds advanced Black belts in four styles, and has been studying Martial Arts for over 30 years. Now you claim not to disrespect other styles, but by saying a real martial artist would not compete in UFC you do exactly that! Some people dare to test their skill, some don't. You obviously don't dare despite your 'vast' knowledge!
Martial Arts are just a tool to give me an edge in a fight. They do no rule my life. Maybe it's a religion to you, but to me, it's just a way to stay fit, and feel more secure walking the streets at night.
'Controlled emotion' is the core of harnessing your power. You have to have emotion. Suppressing it gets you nowhere.
Yep, used as an army, for less than honorable deeds sometimes, romanticsed afterwards by the victors.
1, i do not have a narrow view atall, i study in more than shaolin, but shaolin is the core of my training, i train every single day, i teach self defence on personal basis, and am a freelance personal trainer, i get to spend most of my time training, i have trained with many fighters, i give police officers advice on hand to hand weapons defence, i train in muay thai, systema, boxing, judo, jeet kun do, wing chun, northern and southern chinese styles, ninpo, mongolian wrestling, i practise 3 different styles of taiji, baguazhang and freestyle cross training with my sparring/training partners who are my close friends,
"kung fu" means skill/work hard, it is not a martial arts style,
2, why do you say people who dont want to fight in UFC are basicaly scared they "will get there asses handed to them" and hide behind honour and spirituality?. why cant people just learn to defend themselves train for there entire life from the age of 4 untill they die (like 70% of shaolin monks do) and not want to fight people for sport and entertainment?. and only fight to defend themselves, what is your problem to understand people are like this somewhere in the world,
3, yes my friend i am very aware of the roots of all chinese systems of combat, i practise yoga alot my wife is very good at yoga, nearly as good as i am, and i have practised stance holding, stretching, meditation and yoga methods since an early age, i am aware of the indian roots, when have i said otherwise?. i did not say the roots didnt come from there initially.
4, claiming vast knowledge of something that has been studied for 17 years or a little more isnt a crime is it?, you can learn alot in 17 years if you practise every single day. also every martiala rtist is still a student and always will be, theres always room for improvement, even a grandmaster has alot to learn.
the grasshopper dosent transform into a butterfly, it just becmes a big grasshopper.
5, i know cage fighters, boxers, muay thai fighters, they are good fighters, especially good in the ring, but with no rules on the streets its a different story, if you only train with gloves on, and with rules in the ring and the gym, and dont cross train, then you will not be fully prepared for real battle without rules, i am not dissrespecting anybody here, you seem to think i am directly insulting any particular fighter, i am just comparing power levels, and situations, ring/street, i have first hand experience to compare, ring fighters like boxers and wrestlers. who only train with rules in a ring, to shaolin monks who train every day of there lives from the age of 4-5, and they train for real combat, no rules, tough cnditioning, nothing like what UFC fighters do atall, i can compare because i witness both, styles wich use realistic street fighting methods to train and condition are more suitable for the streets, than just boxing on its own, or just grappling, you cant grapple a guy with 2 knives held in reverse grip, its best to cross train in manys tyles, and never get stuck into 1 frame of training, just like thinking with one frame of mind is bad.
6, well then thats what you gain from martial arts and i dont dissrespect that, if yo want to feel safe and sta healthy thats very good, that is why most people use martial arts and is common,
7, i did not ever say anything about suppressing your emotions, when did i state this?. you have to have an outlet to vent your emotions, keeping them bottled up inside is never a good thing, are you trying to argue about something we agree on now aswell? i do not think sciforums is an effective way of venting emotions towards people trying to give posative feedback and knowledge, constructive debating calmly is the key, not insulting and name calling that you have resorted to alot of times,
8, a rule of shaolin is never to hold glory in victory, this means you enjoy the slaughter of life, and is not tolerated in shaolin,
can you answer this question please my friend,
Q, why did you say im a shaolin fool, and wing chun is the best for real self defence, when wing chun comes from shaolin, and shaolin has many man more branches to its tree, wing chun is just one of them, why did you say this?
also
gong fu is not a martial arts style, sorry i have to correct you, gong fu translates as "hard work" "skill" "dedicatin", kung fu is a bastardisation sir, you get many forms of "skill" (gong fu) crane style gong fu, snake style gong fu, tiger style gong fu, dragon style gong fu, animal styles of shaolin, or wing chun gong fu, lohan gong fu, southern gong fu, northern gong fu, it is used like this,
"i practice white crane gong fu" , skill/hardwork in white crane methods, are you familiar with the 3 treasures of chinese fighting?.
peace,