Archangel Lucifer, that is important. The universe came into being as the first creation of God, after self. Lucifer had his rebelion on the 6th day. At this time on the 6th day everything had been achieved in Heaven, and every great angel was in existence. Lucifer had reason for his rebelion. And it was this. God has created everything, good and evil. He can define good and evil to a TEE, so why not pick out all the bad bugs and squish them? He thought human nature was a waiste of time. Lucifer saw human life as a mistake. You see, Lucifer is the light of God. This means that when Lucifer was created Lucifer had amzingly great faith, only that could rival Michael, and Gabriel. Being that Lucifer was not faith, and Lucifer was not hope he brought Lucifer into the wilderness of Heaven to be alone. When he was alone Lucifer taught him everything, from the begging of YHWH, to the end of man kind.
Lucifer knows how it all ends, and he saw it as a waist of time, and a waist of effort on his part to come down to earth and live forever and forever until we have saved every man woman and child. Not only that, but he thought that the task of saving every man woman and child would be impposible. So he seeked to overthrow Jesus, and use Michael as the messiah in Heaven. Michael too came to know everything, but he did this on his own, through his own reason. Lucifer first went to Archangel Michael to tell him his plan. Michael then told God. As I said in another thread, God does not interfer with nature so he does not smite, not even in Heaven. So what happend was Lucifer gathered his and theres, and Michael gathered his and all that they numbered. Lucifer rebelled and he lost.
And here is why I say give the devil his due. He was right to say saving every man woman and child was a impposible task, as there where angels in heaven who only wanted to destroy. Where he was wrong was to rebel, if he had just stayed fast he would too have a kingdom in Heaven. He was to be third in Heaven, after Jesus, and after Michael. He was to the personal voice, word, and eyes of YHWH.
So Lucifer rebelled in response to mankind, not the other way around.
Think about it. 666 is the number of the beast, it is the number of a man. And if you are willing to take the mark of the six hundarad and sixty six then you are going to hell. 144,000 is the number of the faithful. God created angels as a test run to humanity. We go back up and we become the angels we were before we came to earth, that is how I see it. On the 6th day after the fallen had fallen God said, "go foth, all of you! Go to earth, and save every man woman and child. Save their dogs. Speak to the lowest insect and save he too, fore I have given you everything, and all I ask in return is this one task. Go to earth and do not return to heaven until you have saved all you can. Go now, all of you, I have sealed my gates, you shall not enter less I see ye fit."
wow. You really are the product of catholic tradition gone wild. It is almost impossable to correct someone who follows men and not the bible.
We are not going to be angels in eternity. Jesus said we would be like angels in regard to not being married in eternity. If we where going to be Angels He would have said we would be Angels.
Matthew 22
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are
like angels of God in heaven.
Also Jesus revealed that we will judge angels. If we are judging angels then we will be higher than angels and different to angels.
1 Corrinthians 6
3 Do you not know that
we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?
The stupid adds you see on TV with females dressed in white sitting on clouds as angels is 100% catholic creation. None of the Angels revealed in the Bible where identified as female.
On the 6th day after the fallen had fallen, and after Lucifer became Satan a grand announcement was made.
satan did not fall from heaven on the 6th day. The book revealing satans fall is the book of Revelation which is a book of Prophecy of the future events after the times of Jesus. Jesus said during His ministry on earth.
Luke 10
17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
So satans fall cannot have been before this time. During the time of Job satan had freedom to go between heaven and earth as he pleased:
Job 1
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and
Satan also came among them. 7 And the LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
So Satan answered the LORD and said,
“From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”
8 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered
My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”
So your 6th day fall of satan is fully a creation of tradition and is not biblical at all.
Also as to your claim that God created things evil. May you repent of that and may you be forgiven.
God had made his decision. He had choosen his two wittneses. They would be the first, and they would go forever and forever until they had saved all they could. They would go and speak of all they see, and all they hear. They would give their testimony, and when they are done with that they will prophescy of the end. They will tell every man woman and child of their fate, after that they will striken down.
God chose faith, and hope as the two witnesses. They where the second and third greatst angels only to Yashua. Non where more trusted than them. They also shared a eternal union in Heaven, they where the perfect choices to be Adam, and Eve. On earth Michael, and Gabriel forgot everything they had known in Heaven even of eachother. After they met, and after they where shown to Eden God told them of a tree that layed in the midst of the garden, and it was his tree and not to eat of it, fore in that day they would surly die if they did so. Original sin, the lust of knowledge. The serpent who was Satan came to earth and lied to Eve who brought the lie to Adam. He made them wonder, and they ate of the tree of life. And then everyone in the garden ate of the tree of life. And to this day we eat of it daily. Original sin is the lust of knowledge, it is the sin every man woman and child share.
The traditions really got on meth here. This is so wrong it had me in laughter.
Human on earth, angel in Heaven.
Wrong... Just wrong.
All Praise The Ancient of Days
