Yes we do. Our own experience shows us our mind's own ability to act, to intend, to plan, and to cause events to happen. It is a direct and self-evident datum of experience.
All we have is our own subjective view of our mind's ability as agent.
This is not the same as our mind actually being the agent.
Increasingly there is evidence that our conscious mind is only aware of things after the brain has already decided, yet the mind takes credit for it.
The mind, as function, has created this illusion of agency by the mind itself, rather than the mind simply being part of the brain.
lol! Because the mind IS changing brain activity in what it chooses and thinks and intends and imagines and remembers.
How do you know that it is the mind that determines this and influences the brain, rather than the brain determining it, influencing itself, with the mind simply that part of the processing that is self-aware and taking credit for it?
And no, that causal agency of the mind is not an illusion. I intend to raise my hand, and my hand raises. My mind actually caused this, not some secret purpose lying inside the brain.
Now please excuse me if I don't take your simplistic scientific study too seriously, given that you are using the "mind" to determine what the mind is responsible for.
Unfortunately scientific research is suggesting that the mind is somewhat late to the party:
Www.nature.com/news/2008/080411/full/news.2008.751.html
This is somewhat old, and research has progressed, but it gives you a good start.
Also look at the issue of neuroscience related to freewill.
It's demonstrated everyday in everything we do. The words we think about and say. The actions we choose to perform. What we focus our attention on. etc etc. A functioning brain has no capacity to do this, unless you are saying it is a conscious entity in itself now. It isn't. It is just a big ball of self-shocking blood-sucking meat.
And how does any of what you offer s evidence suggest that the mind cannot be simply part and parcel of the brain's activity?
If the mind is an emergent property of the activity of a normally functioning brain then the mind would appear to determine such things while still being simply the activity of the brain.
So what you demonstrate is that what we call a mind exists, but not what it actually is, and certainly not that it is distinct from the brain.
What? The falling action doesn't bestow rolling activity on the object? What are you talking about? Where does the rolling come from then?
Rolling, according to your argument, would come from the non-material thing called "rolling" that would apply itself to the object.
Much as you claim that a process that does bestow consciousness upon an object is a process that bestows consciousness.
No, I am saying that it has not been shown to be impossible for a process to bestow consciousness.
You have simply asserted that processes can not do so.
You would have us accept uncritically that even though all known activities of objects are not themselves conscious, in the case of brain activity it IS conscious just because that is the function of the brain.
No.
I am offering the possibility that, due to the complexity of the activity in the brain, consciousness emerges from that activity, just as wetness emerges from a collection of H2O molecules that individual molecules do not have.
Individual processes can be limited, but when those processes interact you can get something that neither is individually capable of: just think of your computer... Is each electronic process capable of translating language?
Yet combine some processes and you get a machine that can translate, roughly, what you type into many languages.
Are the individual processes within the computer, within the software, even, capable of that?
No.
It takes the interaction of many simple interactions to create the more complex process capable of doing so.
It's not my burden to disprove your claim. You need to provide an argument for why a process by virtue being a mere process, activity, or function, bestows consciousness on an object. Just asserting it is so is not argument.
Please stop misrepresenting my position.
I have told you before that I am not asserting that simply by virtue of being a mere process it bestows consciousness.
I am saying that it has not shown to be impossible that a process, through complexity of the right consituent parts, can become conscious.
As such there is no need, until that has been show no on be impossible, to invoke anything additional such as a non-material "soul", or anything as distinctly dualistic.
What does that have to do with anything?
You referred to complexity as a magical ingredient.
I am saying that it is simply an ingredient.
Nothing magical about it.
But is such a property that leads logically to consciousness? That has yet to be established.
Indeed.
But until it has been ruled out, why invoke a dualistic approach involving the non-material?
But is consciousness such an emergent property that just spontaneously appears in non-conscious brain cells? You assume it is. But you have no way of proving it.
I don't assume it is.
I currently accept that it is as a conclusion rather than up front assumption, because I feel it satisfies Occam's razor compared to the notion of a non-material "soul".
As and when it is shown that a process, or activity, can not possibly become conscious, then other options would be more rational to accept.
Because you are investing these properties with the power to produce consciousness and a mind out of brain tissue without showing how they can.
And you can show how the non-material soul brings forth consciousness?
You can show how this soul interacts with the material realm?
One does not need to show how it happens before accepting it as the more rational alternative compared to the theory that there is a non-material "soul" that has no chance of ever being evidenced or adequately explained.
If it is possible that it can do so, and there is as yet no reason to yet conclude that it is not possible, then that is sufficient to be considered (by me at least) more rational than any theory involving something unscientific such as the non-material.
Yes..I'm using there being no scientific explanation for a phenomenon as a reason to posit a non-scientific explanation that works.
How does it work?
Simply saying "it is the non-material soul" is no explanation at all.
How does it interact with the material realm, to start with?
Making up stories and fanciful notions to answer that which can't yet be answered with actual evidence... I find to be odd.
At worst one should simply conclude "I don't know".
We do largely know what is happening in brains. Neurologists are making huge headway in this field. But it hasn't added one clue as to how consciousness and the mind exist.
Sheesh, and this is an excuse to jump onto explanations that are outside of science?
Why do you expect science to have the answers yet?
We are talking about the most complex thing that we are aware of, and rather than conclude "we don't yet know" you are jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions that can never be proven.
If that gives you comfort, fair enough.
Personally I'll go with "I don't know" and accept a theory that is at least falsifiable as being the more rational position to take for now.