I think where the conversation between you & spidergoat got off track was confusion over the phrase "nature follows laws". It's not like stopping at a red light or else you pay the consequences. "Laws of nature" simply refers to intrinsic ways nature behaves. For example, "roundness" happens when the forces shaping something are radially isotropic. That's sort of a default condition, so naturally a lot of things are round. But it in no way implies that something is governing something else in general. Presumably, every event that creates the material world is due to some complex set of interactions left over from the Big Bang. But I wouldn't go so far to say that's a "governance", but rather, something which is constrained to whatever is possible, subject to other laws that limit outcomes . . . such as the one that says a square can't be round. That's entirely different than saying "be round or pay a fine" (although there are exceptional cases for that kind of principle in various branches of science).Something without a discernible (to us) pattern must have some underlying rules indicating how that pattern is to be mapped out.
The physics of any action or reaction can't exist without mathematical rules for it to follow.
Because we have defined the abstract meaning of *potential* and is a proven fact. No woo hereSo how is your woo "Universal Potential" different from a woo God?
Our mathematics also describe the mathematics of the * action or function* which create the hole, something you seem to conveniently overlook.The hole is a result of the action or function. The mathematics describes the resulting hole.
What centreline in above image can suggest?
I'm not overlooking it at all. I've asked you repeatedly to show us the mathematics that defines the "action or function" of the hole. How would you determine mathematically what made the hole?Our mathematics also describe the mathematics of the * action or function* which create the hole, something you seem to conveniently overlook.
Nobody is claiming that it "should not". I'm asking you to show that it does. How would you test your hypothesis? What concrete experiments would you do? What apparatus would you require? What observations would confirm your hypothesis and what observations would falsify it?And I still have not heard a comprehensive explanation why the unuiverse *should not* function mathematically.
The alternative to "God" is "no God", or at least "no evidence of God".So, until you come up with something meaningful that refutes or replaces Tegmark's hypothesis about the mathematical nature of the universe, your attempts to *undermine* a serious area of scientific inquiry will fail.
Any causal action follows a mathematical function and can be decribed in human mathematicsl terms, because it is a mathematical function.I'm not overlooking it at all. I've asked you repeatedly to show us the mathematics that defines the "action or function" of the hole. How would you determine mathematically what made the hole?
Have you looked at Greenland lately and seen the acceleration of the melting of the *permanent* ice cap ?Nobody is claiming that it "should not". I'm asking you to show that it does. How would you test your hypothesis? What concrete experiments would you do? What apparatus would you require? What observations would confirm your hypothesis and what observations would falsify it?
Are you implying thatthe alterntive to the *mathematica function* is *no mathematical function* or at least *no evidence of the mathematical function of the universe"*The alternative to "God" is "no God", or at least "no evidence of God".
The falsification is that absent the mathematical function there would be chaos.Once again, the onus is on you to substantiate the hypothesis. There is no "true until proven false" in science.
I'm not overlooking it at all. I've asked you repeatedly to show us the mathematics that defines the "action or function" of the hole. How would you determine mathematically what made the hole?
Nobody is claiming that it "should not". I'm asking you to show that it does. How would you test your hypothesis? What concrete experiments would you do? What apparatus would you require? What observations would confirm your hypothesis and what observations would falsify it?
The alternative to "God" is "no God", or at least "no evidence of God".
Once again, the onus is on you to substantiate the hypothesis. There is no "true until proven false" in science.
Since you have no rational reply for sideshowbob, you make fun of his avatar? You are making it difficult for anyone to take you seriously.Your avatar is of a cartoon caricature who couldn't get past ten rakes without hitting his face ten times. And his hair is just stupid.
Since you have no rational reply for sideshowbob, you make fun of his avatar? You are making it difficult for anyone to take you seriously.
While I do not disagree with your statement, I always look at someone's avatar as it reveals a mental process which caused the *choice* of a particular avatar in the first place.Since you have no rational reply for sideshowbob, you make fun of his avatar? You are making it difficult for anyone to take you seriously.
Allow me to offer an avatar that suits the *description of your avatar*Apparently he didn't learn that childish insults are just that. Childish.
By the way, Spellbound, if your avatar picture is you then you don't get to comment on haircuts.
Now I'll give myself a stern talking to for the childlike behaviour.
Do you understand the symbolic meaning? If you do, that is sufficient to me.Cute thing.
When will yours be updated to the 21st century?
Sideshowbobs avatar is Sideshow Bob.While I do not disagree with your statement, I always look at someone's avatar as it reveals a mental process which caused the *choice* of a particular avatar in the first place.
Ahhhh, well then to adopt that character from the Simpsons cartoons explains a lot to me.Sideshowbobs avatar is Sideshow Bob.
You continue to assume your conclusion. It is true that mathematics can describe any causal action but you have not shown that the action necessarily "follows" the function.Any causal action follows a mathematical function and can be decribed in human mathematicsl terms, because it is a mathematical function.
What does that have to do with the question I asked? Describe your experiment. How would it confirm or falsify the hypothesis?Have you looked at Greenland lately and seen the acceleration of the melting of the *permanent* ice cap ?
No, I'm implying that the alternative to the action "following" the mathematical function is "no evidence that the action follows the function".Are you implying thatthe alterntive to the *mathematica function* is *no mathematical function* or at least *no evidence of the mathematical function of the universe"*
Non sequitur. You can't draw that conclusion without assuming that your hypothesis is true.The falsification is that absent the mathematical function there would be chaos.
By that logic, we should interpret your avatar as meaning that you're stuck in the nineteenth century.While I do not disagree with your statement, I always look at someone's avatar as it reveals a mental process which caused the *choice* of a particular avatar in the first place.