Proof of the supernatural

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Magical Realist said:
5 eyewitnesses is good enough for any crime, news event, or historical event. If we waited for science to confirm everything, we'd never believe in anything. Not even talking fishes or unconscious babies who cry "Help me! Help me!" lol!
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But none of those guys said it was anything supernatural. Even by your own standards, all you have evidence of is some kind of sound that no one recorded which might have sounded like a person.
 
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spidergoat said:
But none of those guys said it was anything supernatural. Even by your own lame standards, all you have evidence of is some kind of sound that no one recorded which might have sounded like a person.
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Every normal person in the world who hears this story understands this as a supernatural event. Except for people like you are so set on not believing in it that they'll posit talking fish and talking babies before admitting the obvious. Or was that a talking machine? I'm losing track. You've changed your story like 3 times now.
 
garbonzo said:
How the hell could 5 people mistake the cries of a baby for someone calling for help? That's really STUPID and illogical reasoning for someone that claims to be an intellectual. Even for 1 person it would be stretching but plausible, not FIVE RESPECTED AND HEALTHY PEOPLE. Btw, a talking fish IS supernatural. What the hell do you think it is?
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Inside a car underwater, I doubt the sound would be very clear. It would be easy to mistake it for words. If the sound even came from there. Intellectually, we know for a fact that human perception can't be trusted.

As for a talking fish, I guess you've never traveled to the upper reaches of the Mato Grosso wilderness, where there is a peculiar species of freshwater dolphin that makes almost human-like cries. It's far more likely that one of these got loose in Utah than that something supernatural exists.
 
Magical Realist said:
Every normal person in the world who hears this story understands this as a supernatural event. Except for people like you are so set on not believing in it that they'll posit talking fish and talking babies before admitting the obvious. Or was that a talking machine? I'm losing track. You've changed your story like 3 times now.
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Normal people are idiots.

I don't have a story, I have a butt load of explanations that are more likely than yours.
 
As for a talking fish, I guess you've never traveled to the upper reaches of the Mato Grosso wilderness, where there is a peculiar species of freshwater dolphin that makes almost human-like cries. It's far more likely that one of these got loose in Utah than that something supernatural exists.
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Talking dolphin now! Ofcourse it was. Hey, maybe it was Flipper!
 
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spidergoat said:
Inside a car underwater, I doubt the sound would be very clear. It would be easy to mistake it for words. If the sound even came from there. Intellectually, we know for a fact that human perception can't be trusted.

As for a talking fish, I guess you've never traveled to the upper reaches of the Mato Grosso wilderness, where there is a peculiar species of freshwater dolphin that makes almost human-like cries. It's far more likely that one of these got loose in Utah than that something supernatural exists.
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Human perception can't be trusted, yes. If this were one or two guys who said this I would say you could be right. But these were 5 respected and healthy individuals.
 
garbonzo said:
There are a lot of eyewitnesses to aliens. If you believe in ghosts because of the testimony, I believe aliens visiting Earth has more evidence behind it.
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Oh I accept the reality of ufos. I just don't know what their purpose is. Obviously we are being observed. For what and why I remain unclear on.
 
Magical Realist said:
Oh I accept the reality of ufos. I just don't know what their purpose is. Obviously we are being observed. For what and why I remain unclear on.
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UFOs most certainly exist. I was witness to one around 15 years ago.
It remains unidentified to this day.
UFOs of Alien origin.....not sure but probably not...but as yet there is no conclusive evidence either way for us being visited or of their existence.
 
paddoboy said:
UFOs most certainly exist. I was witness to one around 15 years ago.
It remains unidentified to this day.
UFOs of Alien origin.....not sure but probably not...but as yet there is no conclusive evidence either way for us being visited or of their existence.
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I trust the overwhelming amount of eye witness testimonies of so many high ranking officials, just to name one category of highly respected individuals.
 
garbonzo said:
I think it could be aliens too, or hyper-dimensional beings. How does a speaking animal/machine work? There are a lot of eyewitness accounts of aliens and beings like ghosts, but not as much for speaking animals or machines. 5 eyewitness accounts by respected people is enough to put someone in prison for life, it should be enough to believe something is out there.
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Stress, panic, upturned car in river, near a concrete bridge, cold and having to wade through all of that to get to the car. You'd be surprised how easy it is. A bird calling, a wolf or animal making a noise in the background can make any sound that someone might want to hear. It is very easy to suggest something or have someone believe something and pretty soon, they have all heard it.

However, what is the real standout is this:

“We’ve gotten together and just talk about it and all four of us can swear that we heard somebody inside the car saying, ‘Help,’” Warner told Deseret News.​

Then when you consider that at first, it was just one officer and now it is up to 5 who heard "it".. So apparently another person has been added on to the 4. That number keeps going up and up.

Insert giant eye-roll here..
 
Magical Realist said:
Every normal person in the world who hears this story understands this as a supernatural event. Except for people like you are so set on not believing in it that they'll posit talking fish and talking babies before admitting the obvious. Or was that a talking machine? I'm losing track. You've changed your story like 3 times now.
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Every normal person in the world?

I'm sure you've done a survey to back that claim, right? I'd like to see those survey results please... or are you ready to retract that obviously erroneous statement?
 
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