I don't understand -Well, dear readers here, if you don’t understand my expatiation above, please ask me in what particular details do you not understand?
A) why you're still allowed to post and,
B) why you haven't been locked up yet.
I don't understand -Well, dear readers here, if you don’t understand my expatiation above, please ask me in what particular details do you not understand?
Dave says: "I'm debating a theist so using the bible primally is essential for this debate."
Please be informed I am propounding that from thinking on facts and logic without any revelation from God man can and does come to the certainty of God existing in concept as the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.
So, Dave, I am inclined to see in you that you have the conclusive position of God existing on reasoning from facts and logic, without any dependence on revelation, I am glad that we two are concurred on that, namely, God can and is known by man even without revelation.....
Considering you post posts like this often(which simply offends people, and is unrelated to the thread) I'm surprised you're allowed to post. Pull the plank out of my eye AGAIN.I don't understand -
A) why you're still allowed to post and,
B) why you haven't been locked up yet.
What theology? God is the creator and operator of everything that exists (let's not get confused with the term "beginning"). Is that a theology? Where's the Bible? Where's good and evil? While it's easier to support such a simple statement, it's harder to support a comprehensive theology, which is probably why he avoids it.To progress a debate it helps if we answer clearly and conciselly what each of us ask. I did with your first question but you didn't with my question, again.
Can you provide scripture that actually supports your concept of God?
For spidergoat and Sarkus, I'm examining his claims from a theological viewpoint, I want to know more of this God that he believes in.
The why I post posts like that is quite simple: while Pachomius persistently calls on "logic", "reality" and "the objective" all he does - and has EVER done - is make utterly unsupported claims while unjustly and inaccurately vilifying atheists.Considering you post posts like this often(which simply offends people, and is unrelated to the thread) I'm surprised you're allowed to post. Pull the plank out of my eye AGAIN.
Here's something I always like to paraphrase, from William S. Burroughs: If God is Control, why does Control need to Control? Because if there is something to control, doesn't that imply that He's not in control?
I know how you feel, I just bite my lip most of the timeThe why I post posts like that is quite simple: while Pachomius persistently calls on "logic", "reality" and "the objective" all he does - and has EVER done - is make utterly unsupported claims while unjustly and inaccurately vilifying atheists.
His "proof" isn't a proof and nor are his claims about about atheists (or their "dishonesty") founded on any rational basis.
Since he has consistently shown himself to be incapable of making - or recognising - ACTUAL logic then he is, essentially, trolling.
What's good for the goose ...
In short, I have a very low tolerance of persistent irrational idiocy. Sue me.
Your "certainty" is far from being so.NB I am not into proselytization, but just into seeing whether the natural reason of humans can and does come to certainty of the existence of God when humans think on facts and logic.
Dave asks: ”Can you provide scripture that actually supports your concept of God?"
I am not into revelation but purely on thinking from facts and logic to come to the certainty of the existence of God in concept the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.
Here are two texts from ancient sources which I am not bringing forth as revelation but just for testimonies from ancient theists affirming their knowledge of God in concept as the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.
In the beginning God made heaven and earth. -- Gen 1:1
I believe in God the Father almighty creator of heaven and hearth. -- Apostles' Creed verse 1
Okay, for folks here who are investing time and labor to learn something from this thread though I am not the author of this thread, here is a very simple and easy way for you to come to the certainty of the existence of God, but take care: I am not into making you to come to be God's believers, but just to inform you that there is the certainty of God's existence when man thinks on facts and logic.
Dear readers here, that word supernatural is a concept employed by Christian philosophers to mean the realm that is above and yet encapsulating the natural realm studied by ordinary folks, and this supernatural realm is also in charge of the realm of the natural or of nature: recall that phrase in the Declaration of Independence of America, "laws of nature and nature's God."* and it saturates the natural realm or nature as like a medium, think of space and time that saturate the totality of the universe.
Now, the head of the supernatural realm and also the natural realm or nature is God in concept from yours truly as also with ancient philosophers and today's theistic thinkers, the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.
Dear readers here, I will introduce this very simple way and very easy for being really simple for you to come to the certainty of God's existence.
This is the way to ascertain whether something exists at all outside our mind, for example, God.
1. Formulate a concept of that something or entity, in our present concern, God.
2. Here is the concept of God: Creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.If you have something you want me to explain, please just send a note in this thread.
3. Go forth into the totality of existence to look for the entity creator of the universe and everything with a beginning.
4. Start searching in the universe and in man; begin with the simple nose in our face: now, universe, man, and man's nose are all components of the totality of existence, but we will just concentrate on the universe and man with his nose which are components of the universe, for the present save the totality of existence for future consideration, still keep in our mind that the totality of existence is the sum of all existences whatsoever, it encapsulates even God and universe and of course man with his nose and his also [no offense] balls -- when I use the term man I mean also embracing woman i.e. including woman [hehehehehe].
5. Are you ready to join me, or you want to continue with words and more words and more words...?
NB I am not into proselytization, but just into seeing whether the natural reason of humans can and does come to certainty of the existence of God when humans think on facts and logic.
*See, Declaration of Independence.
Where was God when He created heaven?In the beginning God made heaven and earth. -- Gen 1:1
I believe in God the Father almighty creator of heaven and hearth. -- Apostles' Creed verse 1
Um, no. I'm not a dictionary.But first tell mankind what is your concept of explanation.
Mankind is an easy one, we evolved from apes, mammals, fish, vertebrates, and all the way back, single cells, which came from the complex chemistry of the early oceans or possibly underground.Okay atheists here, please give your explanation for the existence of the universe and of man.
You referred to brain as a muscle numerous times, so just to be clear - the brain is not a muscle and contains no muscles. Best to choose a different analogy for exercising the brain.
- Okay atheists here, please give your explanation for the existence of the universe and of man.
But first tell mankind what is your concept of explanation.
Okay atheists here, please give your explanation for the existence of the universe and of man.