With all the people out there who want to destroy a persons self respect then why help them? But really this subject holds no fascination for me.
Promiscuity
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With all the people out there who want to destroy a persons self respect then why help them? But really this subject holds no fascination for me.
I would say so. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Even though society doesn't necessarily view it like that. It's generally more understandable for a guy to go out and be promiscuous, because that behavior (the desire to spread his seed) is hardwired into his DNA.
Women aren't viewed in the same fashion by society, at least they weren't; as Baron stated, that mentality is diminishing.
Yes I know it's a double standard, but on the flipside, so is marriage/divorce in the sense that the courts almost always rule in favor of the woman; and in almost any breakup it's always 'the guys' fault'.
Simon Anders
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well, the women are much more likely to say it's the guy's fault. But the guys as far as I can tell are just as likely to say the opposite. There are no good men. She was such a bitch. Seems a toss up 'out there'.
glad to see your promiscuity meter is not sexist, at least.
As this thread has stated, promiscuity is threatening for a number of reasons, not just what you've stated above.
But apparently doesn't seem to know what she wants in a relationship.
Every single woman that I've known that has had more than a few sexual partners, seems to have some sort of mental issue or disorder.
If the woman just simply enjoys sex, she can enjoy it with just one person. The fact that she's sleeping with a bunch of guys tells me one or more of several things:
-she has low self-esteem and needs to sleep with guys to validate herself
-she is a power hungry cunt who sleeps with a bunch of guys (on her terms) to validate her ability to control guys
-she's been hurt by guys in the past and won't get close to them by any other means but sex
Simon Anders
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Hey, I'm exploring.
See, now, I know this is not the reason men and boys call women hos. She's a fucking ho, she doesn't seem to know what she wants in a relationship.
Like most men and boys do.
Doesn't match my experience.
This all holds true for boys and men. Unbelievably well.
Whatever.
I've heard guys admit fault from a breakup. I've NEVER heard any woman ever admit fault in a breakup. Ever.
You can't look at this from a level point of view unfortunately. A man will go out and sleep with a bunch of women for different reasons than women will. Look at the reasons I listed in the post above this one. I've NEVER known a guy to go out and sleep with a bunch of women because he has 'self-esteem' issues. I have, plenty of times, seen women be promiscuous for that reason.
Looking at this from a fair perspective would be just like the armed forces requiring women take the EXACT SAME physical fitness test with the EXACT SAME parameters/requirements as the men.* It just doesn't work that way, and neither does looking at promiscuity in men and women in the same fashion.
*The Marines fitness test requires that men do however many out of a maximum of 20 pull ups(to get a perfect score). I know very very few women that can do even one pull up, let alone 20. So they let the women do a flexed arm hang instead.
There is also a 3 mile run. A perfect score for men would be 18 minutes or less. For women, it's 22 minutes.
With that said, by your logic, let's go ahead and require the women do the same pull ups as the men and require the women to run their 3 miles in 18 minutes as well? It's equal, right?
Well, that's what this forum is for!
I don't recall in any part of any of my response to this, referring to that woman as a ho. I merely stated that she has no idea what she wants out of a relationship, as the fact that she is not in one and sleeping with a bunch of guys instead of one, so eloquently demonstrates.
Maybe you should meet some more people then. Believe me, I've been to a rave or two in my life. They are chocked full of messed up, promiscuous women.
Well since I am straight and thus do not date men, their behavior is really not my concern.
re the OP, why religions regulate sex:
1) sex is a commons - it's an area of human activity in which individuals successfully pursuing their own real advantage in competition can damage the environment enough to reduce even their own advantage to below original levels.
2) it's a power center. You give me control of the sexual behavior of young women, and you can have the entire military and economic infrastructure of your society - I'll still run your life.
So we see that religions do not always forbid or universally squelch promiscuity, (often they institutionalize it, with temple "priestesses" or prostitution setups formal and informal, and the like), but always establish authority to ration or govern it.
1) sex is a commons - it's an area of human activity in which individuals successfully pursuing their own real advantage in competition can damage the environment enough to reduce even their own advantage to below original levels.
2) it's a power center. You give me control of the sexual behavior of young women, and you can have the entire military and economic infrastructure of your society - I'll still run your life.
So we see that religions do not always forbid or universally squelch promiscuity, (often they institutionalize it, with temple "priestesses" or prostitution setups formal and informal, and the like), but always establish authority to ration or govern it.
Simon Anders
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Well, you are a guy, I'm assuming, so they might not say it to you. Me, I've seen women go back to guys who cheated on them and apologize for having gotten upset. And worse. So we've got different life experiences.
Every guy who does this does this because of self-esteem issues. (I am being polemic) Every guy who feels proud of himself for his conquests has a self-esteem problem. Every guy who brags to his friends about the last fuck's giant rack or tight pussy or how she goes nuts, has a self esteem problem. Every guy who does not notice that sex is intimate and pretends that he is a guy so this doesn't really affect him has self-esteem problems.
One reason you are right is that a woman is multi orgasmic. They can outlast nearly every guy. While the first one is snoring, they could put in a few laps with his brother.
You're mixing fitness with a moral judgment issue. And on a pure physical basis the comparison does not hold. Women are not the weaker sex in sex.
Simon Anders
Valued Senior Member
No, you never did use ho. But the implication is that the problem is really that she has a self-esteem problem. But my point is that is not why men have a problem with women who (seem to) sleep around.
Do I really have to point out the obvious. OK. Raves are full of messed up promiscous men.
It's your concern when you divide the world up in your mind in false ways.
If a woman has dozens of sex partners in her teens, which we usually deem as "promiscuous", when she grows into her twenties, marries and settles down to a happy, loving, monogamous relationship, .....is she still "promiscuous"?
Or is "promiscuous" only a term relative to the present and, perhaps, the early past?
What's the ...ahh, cutoff period for the term? Or is it a forever term? Once a young woman is promiscuous, then she's forever labeled?
Baron Max
Or is "promiscuous" only a term relative to the present and, perhaps, the early past?
What's the ...ahh, cutoff period for the term? Or is it a forever term? Once a young woman is promiscuous, then she's forever labeled?
Baron Max
Isn't that the point of being with a whole lot of people? I didn't sleep with all of the men that I dated, but I did date a lot of guys. So people called me all of the stereotypical names for women who are with a lot of men, even my parents were worried about me. But I had a short attention span. If a guy I was with couldn't hold my interest then I'd move on. I don't think that gives me a mental disorder. But like Baron Max said, I'm no longer dating different men does that still make me promiscuous?
I don't understand this idea that women somehow 'give' men sex: a promiscuous woman has no self-respect or respect for the body she owns, while a promiscuous man is just 'getting' what he can.
I'd consider a fifteen year old who had slept with six people to be promiscuous, let alone fifteen.
Well it's a fairly vague term, but it's my understanding that it also refers to a more relaxed attitude to sex - as well as a relatively high number of sexual partners.
I'd consider a fifteen year old who had slept with six people to be promiscuous, let alone fifteen.
Well it's a fairly vague term, but it's my understanding that it also refers to a more relaxed attitude to sex - as well as a relatively high number of sexual partners.
Ahh, so you were a little prick teaser, huh?
Geez, Marie, forgive me for saying that, but I just had to show people how easy it is to label people, especially women, in today's world of sex.
Do you forgive me?
Baron Max
Go look up ADD and ADHD. Not saying you have either condition, but a short attention span is the main symptom of these documented mental disorders.
And promiscuous is a present tense term. You are with one guy now, so therefore you are not promiscuous. You may have been (not my place to say or accuse) but you're not now.
Wow. You need to introduce me to some of these guys you know that sleep with lots of women that have low self-esteem. A few of my college buddies got around quite a bit and NONE of them had any self-esteem issues. If you are a guy and you have low self-esteem, and no money, you are NOT getting laid, at least not with women who are at least reasonable to look at.
Guys may do this because their self-esteem is too HIGH. The point I made about women sleeping around is that their self-esteem is too LOW. While both are self-esteem issues, a high self-esteem and low self-esteem are two different beasts entirely.
No, YOU are mixing them up. You made the mistake of trying to compare the exact situation and not the general principle(which seem to have flown right over your head).
The general principle is, that you cannot judge women and men in the exact same manner. It's just not possible.
And are you really going to sit there and argue the fact that men are hardwired to spread their seed as much as possible, whereas women are not.
While I don't disagree, some might. That's why I used my comparison. But yeah, the younger they are the lower the number proportionately goes.
Ahh, so you were a little prick teaser, huh?
Geez, Marie, forgive me for saying that, but I just had to show people how easy it is to label people, especially women, in today's world of sex.
Do you forgive me?
Baron Max
Yeah I was. So I guess I can forgive you.
:roflmao: ADHD is a neurological disorder, my brother has it. But it's true if I found my date boring or if they didn't excite me sexually, I dropped them like a hot potato. When I first started dating I didn't know what I wanted in a relationship, so if I was dissatisfied for any reason, I'd drop whoever I was with and move on to the next guy. The more people I dated the more I learned what I did and did not like in a relationship, what I was willing and not willing to tolerate. As time passed the longer my relationships lasted because I learned a lot about myself and became really picky. Plus I didn't date in high school so I had a bit of catching up to do as far as relationships were concerned.
"promiscuity"-liking sex? I don't understand the whole concept. I like chocolate, and I like sex. I like a variety of chocolates, and would try all forms of chocolate at least once if I could. Why does society frown on this when applied to sexuality?
Yep. I have it too. Albeit according to my doc, mine is only a mild condition.
It's still a huge disadvantage when it comes to dating.
Hey, I'm picky too. No shame in that.
Sure, a woman who enjoys sex could enjoy it with just one person. But there's no obvious reason why she should, assuming she's intelligent enough to know how to use a condom. You still seem to be operating under the premise that sex with a lot of people is inherently bad, sex with a single person is good (or at least not as bad), and that anyone who indulges in sex with many people must therefor have some sort of personality defect.