Problems with the biblical Genesis story (split)
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LIGHTBEING
Registered Senior Member
No......It's pretty clear that the author is referring to celestial objects in the sky. After he made the two great lights he mentions also mentions stars. This is pretty cut and dry.
Exactly. The second great light, the light that is the "knowledge of good and evil" (how does that work, by the way?) is the one that governs the night.
Still wrong.
@Jan --
Universe, Earth, who cares? All you need to know is that it wasn't six days, it was billions of years. Besides, if he's busy making/creating all of the stars on day four then it's pretty safe to assume that the things those stars made up, galaxies and whatnot, didn't exist until then either. I think that the complete collection of galaxies could count as the universe.
Oh, and the fact that the ancient Hebrews, and pretty much everyone else in the universe, thought that the earth was the universe kind of blows your idea to pieces. Again, who's reading meaning into the bible that isn't actually there now?
Universe, Earth, who cares? All you need to know is that it wasn't six days, it was billions of years. Besides, if he's busy making/creating all of the stars on day four then it's pretty safe to assume that the things those stars made up, galaxies and whatnot, didn't exist until then either. I think that the complete collection of galaxies could count as the universe.
Oh, and the fact that the ancient Hebrews, and pretty much everyone else in the universe, thought that the earth was the universe kind of blows your idea to pieces. Again, who's reading meaning into the bible that isn't actually there now?
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kx000
Valued Senior Member
This is not written from imagination, it is written from the voice in the back of someones head. Or maybe it was written before people had language, passed down generation to generation. If it were two angels of great importance being created then surly they would have been created on the first day.
Ok. Genesis would be the generations all the way up until religious experiences and passages began to be recorded. Why would we have these recordings of this bloodline? It is the Holy bloodline. Abraham is obviously of great importance. To much whom is given, much tested. The devil tempted him with the life of his son. He skated by on the hair of his nose. Abraham had to have been the first prophet to the world since Noah. Being in the land of Ancient Egypt these types of recordings started to fade. Ancient Egyptian gods who were formed from folk lure of then ancients gave rise such as Seth, and Osiris. Old Christianity became irelivent to the lands of Egypt as civilized Egypt formed. Then when Pharaoh is made king people were required to pay amage to Egyptian dieties, even though Osiris, Seth, Isis, and Nepthys were all made in Heaven on the first day. The rest made by myth.
With that, the recordings of Hebrew slaves in Egypt had to be recorded long after in Earth years sometime A.D. The Exodus took place. But not a mass exodus like people believe. Hebrews must have assumed to go North twoards the narrow part of the Red Sea to cross easier, and a direct route to Israel. But Moses was directed by Micahel to go South. So he directed people South by night in small groups. Camps were made in upper Egypt in the desert. Once Pharaoh became suspicous Moses led the rest out of Egypt to the camps south. Now, when God "parted" the Red Sea it wasn't as to make a path, but cause chaos to the pursuing Egyptian army. Storms and floods. Maybe a earthquake. This caused major casualities to Egyptian forces... but not the Hebrews.. as they had been lost in the desert for 40 days. Then they found the sea and went all the way south to the mouth of the of the Red Sea to cross into Yemen, and go all the way north to Israel.
Then the Egyptian world begins to fall apart soon after this. Then the god Pharaoh is killed, and the godhood of his son, the anti-christ. This is Osiris, being killed by Set, and his sons power is taken away, meaning Seth took the crown coinsiding with killing Osiris. He is later vilonized by his own people. Then Rome conquers Egypt and religous freedom is given in Rome. At this time the Roman Catholic Church is formed who claims Jesus is a only child, who bore no child, whos chosed wife was nothing more than a whore, effectivly killing the Holy bloodline. This is simply not true. Jesus had siblings and all gave kin. He didn't save mankind, but he completley refreshed the family tree. Mary is the most love disciple for her bossom is sangreal.
fat man? thought it was camel and eye of needle..
kx000
Valued Senior Member
I owe you nothing. Even if I gave you evidence you would only want more and more. I'd rather see you burn, than give you evidence that you are in no place to demand in the first place. Adam did eat from the tree of knowledge, their is no reason he didn't write all of it pre Christ.
kx000
Valued Senior Member
No. Adam knew everything there is to know, he ATE FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE. He built his house upon his woman at a very young age. You are preaching to the faithless. You advocate atheism. No mater what you say you will never be right. Science is how God did it. You use science as reason to disprove God, but I use science to tell me how God created people.
You haven't used any science. You apparently don't know any science.
By the way, God just spoke to me and asked me to pass a message on to you.
He apologised for making you so stupid and could you please not have any children until he gets the problem fixed. He doesn't want to risk a continuation of this much stupidity.
Ophiolite
Valued Senior Member
Why do you have a problem with agnostics.
James R,
The fact that it says they were appointed on the fourth day does that.
No it doesn't. It says God made the lights on the fourth day;
Vaya'as Elohim et-sheney hameorot hagdolim
et-hamaor hagadol le-memshelet hayom ve'et hamaor
hakaton le-memshelet halaylah ve'et hakochavim.
Durectly translated as..
God [thus] made the two large lights, the greater
light to rule the day, and the smaller light
to rule the night. [He also made] the stars.
http://mb-soft.com/believe/txw/bereshi2.htm
Once again check out the meaning of ''as-ah''.
That's really poor or lazy observation, most probably fuelled by bias.
You keep infering things to prop up your position, is this how you do science?
Is magic evern represented in the bible?
You seem ignorant of the the upper-case usage of the 'G'.
In the English language, the capitalized form of God continues to represent a distinction between monotheistic "God" and "gods" in polytheism.
Know all what?
And as I've pointed out, we don't know for a fact that that is the case. If it is the case then genesis make no sense. It it isn't the case then it makes sense. Why opt for the ''no sense'' option, when it can make sense?
Do you have a good reason for this?
There's every reason.. it makes sense.
And those presentations are no more valid than my presentation.
The link from answersingenesis, is an opinion, one which backs up their belief.
The fact that it backs up your belief means you accept it, but otherwise you think they are crackpots, or religious nuts. Hypocritical?
I doubt it, but I would be very interested to see what your research produces.
From whose perspective?
So we can introduce the Purana's?
Anything can be made to seem contradictory using the wrong approach analasys.
We don't need to invoke ''magic'', we need to understand what is being said, and then decide whether we believe it or not. In genesis, God doesn't use ''magic'', He interacts with nature. Probably because He is omniscient, meaning He knows everything about nature, and knows how to work it.
You mean like, He created the sun and moon on the fourth day, after the plants, even when it say's nothing of the sort, in english, or hebrew?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/make
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/create
Even secular dictionaries can make the distinction.
Perhaps not. Perhaps we are fools of our own making, and set out to explain to us what happened through the medium of scripture.
Maybe the establishment don't want to correct it.
jan.
The fact that it says they were appointed on the fourth day does that.
No it doesn't. It says God made the lights on the fourth day;
Vaya'as Elohim et-sheney hameorot hagdolim
et-hamaor hagadol le-memshelet hayom ve'et hamaor
hakaton le-memshelet halaylah ve'et hakochavim.
Durectly translated as..
God [thus] made the two large lights, the greater
light to rule the day, and the smaller light
to rule the night. [He also made] the stars.
http://mb-soft.com/believe/txw/bereshi2.htm
Once again check out the meaning of ''as-ah''.
That's really poor or lazy observation, most probably fuelled by bias.
You keep infering things to prop up your position, is this how you do science?
Is magic evern represented in the bible?
You seem ignorant of the the upper-case usage of the 'G'.
In the English language, the capitalized form of God continues to represent a distinction between monotheistic "God" and "gods" in polytheism.
Know all what?
And as I've pointed out, we don't know for a fact that that is the case. If it is the case then genesis make no sense. It it isn't the case then it makes sense. Why opt for the ''no sense'' option, when it can make sense?
Do you have a good reason for this?
There's every reason.. it makes sense.
And those presentations are no more valid than my presentation.
The link from answersingenesis, is an opinion, one which backs up their belief.
The fact that it backs up your belief means you accept it, but otherwise you think they are crackpots, or religious nuts. Hypocritical?
I doubt it, but I would be very interested to see what your research produces.
From whose perspective?
So we can introduce the Purana's?
Anything can be made to seem contradictory using the wrong approach analasys.
We don't need to invoke ''magic'', we need to understand what is being said, and then decide whether we believe it or not. In genesis, God doesn't use ''magic'', He interacts with nature. Probably because He is omniscient, meaning He knows everything about nature, and knows how to work it.
You mean like, He created the sun and moon on the fourth day, after the plants, even when it say's nothing of the sort, in english, or hebrew?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/make
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/create
Even secular dictionaries can make the distinction.
Perhaps not. Perhaps we are fools of our own making, and set out to explain to us what happened through the medium of scripture.
Maybe the establishment don't want to correct it.
jan.
Arioch,
It doesn't say He created universe or earth in six days, it says they were
created in the begining. It seem the six days were spent regenerating the earth.
No shit Sherlock?
The Earth is in the universe. Right?
It says He made the earth in the begining... Right?
Try and figure out the rest.
You should read vedic literature, it's been around for thousands of years.
jan.
It doesn't say He created universe or earth in six days, it says they were
created in the begining. It seem the six days were spent regenerating the earth.
No shit Sherlock?
The Earth is in the universe. Right?
It says He made the earth in the begining... Right?
Try and figure out the rest.
You should read vedic literature, it's been around for thousands of years.
jan.
LIGHTBEING
Registered Senior Member
What the.......you rather see him burn then provide evidence? Insanity and truly speaks volumes about your character.
LIGHTBEING
Registered Senior Member
You use science yet you can't provide a single stand of evidence and when someone ask for it you go on a rant about your own desire for them to burn. Extraodinary
So Elohim means "God" not "god"?
I think not.
I think the correct translation is "gods".
LIGHTBEING,
Six thousand years seem like a reasonable length of time to kick start stuff, and populate the earth. I think I could be convinced of that.
2 Peter 3:8. For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.
jan.
Six thousand years seem like a reasonable length of time to kick start stuff, and populate the earth. I think I could be convinced of that.
2 Peter 3:8. For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.
jan.