Prejudice and Bigotry in Law Enforcement

[RainbowSingularity]

benefit of the doubt

apples to apples comparison

i dont think that is an actual legal thing

soo if you wish to compare apples with apples
you need to be holding an apple

are police automatically charged like civilians are ?
no

why not ?
lack of evidence ?
isnt evidence supposed to be presented in the trial ?

so where is the thing they give in exchange for the benefit ?
are you sure its not charity being given to the police ?(police charity ?[what does that mean?])

so if they are handed packages of free benefits of doubts
then they must be giving something in return that is tangible

what are they giving that is tangible as a profitable "thing" ?

remember !
apples for apples
no benefits without profits

apples to apples comparison

what is the profit ?

 

[wegs]

You bring up a good point, Rainbow. I've often wondered why police officers are treated differently when it comes to violating the law, over civilians? Cops are not above the law, but the way they tend to be ''protected,'' one would think the law doesn't apply to them.

 

[Seattle]

You bring up a good point, Rainbow. I've often wondered why police officers are treated differently when it comes to violating the law, over civilians? Cops are not above the law, but the way they tend to be ''protected,'' one would think the law doesn't apply to them.

The district attorney (prosecutors office) works closely with cops so they are more lenient when it comes to pressing charges where cops are concerned.

They also know that juries are more lenient where cops are concerned as far as giving them benefit of the doubts. Most communities want cops to provide protection and if there is no benefit of the doubt given to cops then no one would want to be a cop.

Most departments have a hard time filling positions as it is. Think about it, you send cops into dangerous situations and then if they make a mistake (trying to stay alive) you prosecute them with no benefit of the doubt given to them, no one would become a cop. No one needs a job that bad.

The problem isn't giving them more leeway, it's that when they do step over the line, they often get away with it because the investigations aren't done by another agency.

In theory it's done by a separate department but that's not independent enough and the culture is also that fellow cops don't "rat" on each other. This is the tainted part, not that they are given a little more leeway than someone who isn't a cop.

 

[Bells]

Many black on black crimes aren't "solved" and many people do get away with it. That's partially why it happens so often.

Gee, I wonder how or why that would be...

The data, obtained by WBEZ under Illinois' open-records law, show the city had 849 murders between the beginning of 2018 and this past July. When the victim was white, 47% of the cases were solved during those same 19 months. For Hispanics, the rate was about 33%. When the victim was African American, it was less than 22%.
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It is different of course when you have an armed person of authority killing unarmed people. It's "usually" more of an accident (negligent or not) and a white cop is much more likely to be shot by a black person than they are to shoot a black person.

Most departments have a hard time filling positions as it is. Think about it, you send cops into dangerous situations and then if they make a mistake (trying to stay alive) you prosecute them with no benefit of the doubt given to them, no one would become a cop. No one needs a job that bad.

Oh look..

True to form, racist queues the change of narrative. And lies to boot!

How strange and unusual!

 

[pjdude1219]

The district attorney (prosecutors office) works closely with cops so they are more lenient when it comes to pressing charges where cops are concerned.

They also know that juries are more lenient where cops are concerned as far as giving them benefit of the doubts. Most communities want cops to provide protection and if there is no benefit of the doubt given to cops then no one would want to be a cop.

Most departments have a hard time filling positions as it is. Think about it, you send cops into dangerous situations and then if they make a mistake (trying to stay alive) you prosecute them with no benefit of the doubt given to them, no one would become a cop. No one needs a job that bad.

The problem isn't giving them more leeway, it's that when they do step over the line, they often get away with it because the investigations aren't done by another agency.

In theory it's done by a separate department but that's not independent enough and the culture is also that fellow cops don't "rat" on each other. This is the tainted part, not that they are given a little more leeway than someone who isn't a cop.

im curious the cops who murdered george floyd how were they "trying to stay alive". i get to someone like you a unarmed, handcuffed, and prone black man is a lethal threat, but for someone with a functional brain(me) could you please explain it?

 

[Seattle]

Gee, I wonder how or why that would be...

The data, obtained by WBEZ under Illinois' open-records law, show the city had 849 murders between the beginning of 2018 and this past July. When the victim was white, 47% of the cases were solved during those same 19 months. For Hispanics, the rate was about 33%. When the victim was African American, it was less than 22%.
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Oh look..

True to form, racist queues the change of narrative. And lies to boot!

How strange and unusual!

They aren't solved as often because they are in the inner city where the police presence isn't as great and where few cooperate with the police.

Always have to resort to name calling I see. Like it or not, the police have always gotten more leeway for the reason that I mentioned.

 

[Seattle]

im curious the cops who murdered george floyd how were they "trying to stay alive". i get to someone like you a unarmed, handcuffed, and prone black man is a lethal threat, but for someone with a functional brain(me) could you please explain it?

Your brain isn't fully functioning as I recall. I wasn't talking about George Floyd obviously. No one is justifying that one and they are being prosecuted. In general being a cop is a dangerous job and for that reason they get some leeway. They don't get to kill people for no reason however.

Are you sure your brain is fully functioning? You're not very tolerant are you? That seems to be a common trait these days in certain quarters.

 

[wegs]

Wrongful death cases at the hands of cops aren’t “for no reason.” The cops have reasons, and justifications always, for their actions. Usually “I felt like my life was threatened,” is the number one go-to justification. So four cops who were armed felt that their lives were threatened over one unarmed man? (George Floyd) They shouldn’t be cops, if that’s the case. It’s definitely a tough job for sure, but common sense should prevail and those cops should have been able to apprehend Floyd without brutal force.

 

[wegs]

The district attorney (prosecutors office) works closely with cops so they are more lenient when it comes to pressing charges where cops are concerned.

They also know that juries are more lenient where cops are concerned as far as giving them benefit of the doubts. Most communities want cops to provide protection and if there is no benefit of the doubt given to cops then no one would want to be a cop.

Most departments have a hard time filling positions as it is. Think about it, you send cops into dangerous situations and then if they make a mistake (trying to stay alive) you prosecute them with no benefit of the doubt given to them, no one would become a cop. No one needs a job that bad.

The problem isn't giving them more leeway, it's that when they do step over the line, they often get away with it because the investigations aren't done by another agency.

In theory it's done by a separate department but that's not independent enough and the culture is also that fellow cops don't "rat" on each other. This is the tainted part, not that they are given a little more leeway than someone who isn't a cop.

Yea, I would agree that a third party investigation should be done when cops violate the law. Other cops (peers, really) don’t seem to be capable of objectivity in these situations.

 

[Tiassa]

Your brain isn't fully functioning as I recall. I wasn't talking about George Floyd obviously. No one is justifying that one and they are being prosecuted. In general being a cop is a dangerous job and for that reason they get some leeway. They don't get to kill people for no reason however.

Are you sure your brain is fully functioning? You're not very tolerant are you? That seems to be a common trait these days in certain quarters.

So, that's a no, then?

Unsurprising.

 

[pjdude1219]

Your brain isn't fully functioning as I recall.

you are the one making the argument that POC are inherently threatening so frankly i don't give a shit what you recall.

I wasn't talking about George Floyd obviously. No one is justifying that one and they are being prosecuted.

he was a stand in for all the POC the police kill and get away with.

In general being a cop is a dangerous job and for that reason they get some leeway. They don't get to kill people for no reason however.

they don't get some leeway. they get a fuckton that lets them kill people for no legit reason. for fuck sake there is a literal website devoted to recording all the white supremist shit cops post.
their

Are you sure your brain is fully functioning?

yes

You're not very tolerant are you?

Im very tolerant just towards things that are tolerable. racism not so much

That seems to be a common trait these days in certain quarters.

Im sorry ms Liddle that we aren't willing to go down the rabbit hole and through the looking glass with you. You seem upset that you can no longer be racist

 

[Seattle]

So, that's a no, then?

Unsurprising.

No, to what? "Lies to boot", WTF? You guys are like someone rooting for their favorite team, facts be damned.

Have you ever actually been out of the house and met a real cop? I thought not.

 

[Seattle]

you are the one making the argument that POC are inherently threatening so frankly i don't give a shit what you recall. he was a stand in for all the POC the police kill and get away with. they don't get some leeway. they get a fuckton that lets them kill people for no legit reason. for fuck sake there is a literal website devoted to recording all the white supremist shit cops post.
their

yes Im very tolerant just towards things that are tolerable. racism not so much Im sorry ms Liddle that we aren't willing to go down the rabbit hole and through the looking glass with you. You seem upset that you can no longer be racist

You are being more bigoted than I could ever be.

No one implied that people of color are threatening. Limit the rage a bit and maybe your brain will operate again. You provide your own outrage to react to.

 

[Tiassa]

No, to what? "Lies to boot", WTF? You guys are like someone rooting for their favorite team, facts be damned.

So, you can't even follow the discussion when the posts are short?

You were asked↑ if you could explain something; you chose↑ not to; when asked↑ if that was a refusal, you changed the subject↑.

Obverse, you're unwilling to follow the discussion; reverse, you're unable to follow the discussion. There are outcomes by which the effect is the same, but still.

 

[Seattle]

So, you can't even follow the discussion when the posts are short?

You were asked↑ if you could explain something; you chose↑ not to; when asked↑ if that was a refusal, you changed the subject↑.

Obverse, you're unwilling to follow the discussion; reverse, you're unable to follow the discussion. There are outcomes by which the effect is the same, but still.

I didn't refuse to explain anything. What is your purpose in life? Just curious.

Do you honest thinking I'm limited in my ability to think and communicate? Do you honestly think I'm an uneducated person? I don't think you deal with reality very well but I may be wrong. Am I? Are you a freak (in a manner of speaking)?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

You bring up a good point, Rainbow. I've often wondered why police officers are treated differently when it comes to violating the law, over civilians? Cops are not above the law, but the way they tend to be ''protected,'' one would think the law doesn't apply to them.

power attracts those who seek to abuse it in any way possible
thats just a natural part of the bad side of human nature
if that is not systematically checked with various levels of checks and balances, then that power becomes a fascist psychopath serial killer rapist
thats how it works
like leaving the pot on the stove to long
there is only 2 things that will happen
either it burns the contents & destroys the pot & the stove
or it catches fire and burns the entire house down and those in it at the same time

we seem to be seeing the kitchen start to catch fire

part of the weird irony of the american culture of power worship
is they demand the power authority to be un accountable
they then also demand the power to have rights to be not held accountable as an equity to human rights
no surprise that bullying of school children is normalized as part of their culture

the big fat spoilt school boy bully is crying because he is being told off
so he is demanding he be given the same rights as the victims which will supersede their rights
so he can remain in the bully predator position
no surprise narcissism is also coveted as a cultural ideal
it is an American cultural psychological problem
right though its culture & government & schools
it is connected to almost everything.

the metoo movement is the awakening to show the foot in the door to what power being held accountable is

i guess this is a real test of the culture to see if it goes forward and evolves or goes backward into fascism and tyranny

glad i dont live in the usa

 

[RainbowSingularity]

treated differently

above the law,

like American politicians and insider trading
etc etc ...
its normal american morality

the school yard bully morality applies so the behaviour is on private or company land and anyone going on to it must agree to give up thier freedoms and rights
conversely so with obtaining power in the usa
you gain the legal ability to be allowed to ignore laws

lobbyists buying politicians is the most obvious you can get.

its really all about money
and money comes before people

thats how most people in the usa vote
they vote for the richest person regardless if they are a serial killer or a rapist
they dont care as long as they are the richest
that is why how much they get in donations is such a vote buyer
people want to be in with the biggest nastiest bully that everyone else is supporting
because money comes before morals

its no mystery its in plain sight for everyone to see

to be ''protected,'' one would

and ...
so if you dont have lots of money
you need lots of power to get the what money buys

they wont let go of power
because society dictates money before people
so power must be maintained to be swapped for money

working class authority chicken & the egg
on top of culture which normalises bullying and normalises revenge sadism as a form of normal justice(using civilized words)

the rich elite are more than happy to sit back and watch the entire country burn its self to the ground
they will be selling tickets & land grabbing the burnt ruins

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Wrongful

why would someone willingly lay down naked on the dance floor ?
(metaphor of general cross cultural understanding of conflicting moral customs, not relating to an actual dance floor & being socially deemed affronting to normal social boundaries)

moral turpitude

What is an example of moral turpitude?
Moral Turpitude. ... Crimes involving moral turpitude have an inherent quality of baseness, vileness, or depravity with respect to a person's duty to another or to society in general. Examples include rape, forgery, Robbery, and solicitation by prostitutes.

how can they be found guilty of a crime when they are the ones who are supposed to be never guilty

how can society believe that absolute un regulated power is being reasonable so they are absolved of being socially accountable for societal morality & civil structure(community) ?


uummm ... .... soo
how do you solve it without changing anything ?

... soo... you want more riots ?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

notice how most American arguments start with
"I don't want"

 

[pjdude1219]

You are being more bigoted than I could ever be.

So I'm a bigot because you don't understand the implications of your bullshit?

No one implied that people of color are threatening.

you did that you lack the wit to understand the implications of your own argument is not my problem.

Limit the rage a bit and maybe your brain will operate again. You provide your own outrage to react to.

my brain is operating fine. yours is in doubt if you cant understand that replying that cops feel threatened for there safety in a thread about police brutality focused on race implies that you feel they feel threatened by the nonwhiteness of their victims.