Koran, of course. And I'm not a sir.
Our attitude concerning mockery of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon
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Mohammad (pbuh) wrote it ? ------------------------------
First, he was illiterate !! How can an illiterate person come
up with such a rich, poetic, intellectual, and inspiring text
that it rocked the entire Arabia ?
Mohammad (pbuh) never went to school ! No one taught him. He
had no teacher of any kind in any subjects. How can he have the
knowledge of all the science, astronomy, oceanography, etc that
is contained in the Quran ? ( For example, the mention of
ocean currents, stars, earth, moon, sun and their fixed paths in
Soorah Rahman; and many other scientific statements that are
found in Quran, that I cannot state in this short article)
When Quran was revealed, the Arabic language was at its peak in
richness, poetic value, literature, etc. Quran came and
challenged the best literature in Arabic, the best poetry in
Arabic of the time. Mohammad (pbuh) being illiterate couldnt
possibly have come up with something so immaculate that it even
exceded the best of poetry, and literature in Arabic at the time
of the language's PEAK development. Arabic language had never
been so rich in expression, poetic value, vocabulary, and
variety in literature, as it was in the time of Quran. At a
time like this, Quran came and exceeded the best of Arabic in
all aspects of the language: poetry, literature, expression,
etc. Any classical Arabic speaker would appreciate the
unbeatten, unchallenged, and unmatched beauty of the language of
Quran.
An illiterate man is simply not capable of writing such a book.
Mohammad (pbuh) had no reason to come up with something like
Quran, and cause the entire society of Arabia to become his
enemy. Why would he do something like that? Why would he write
something going against almost all of the norms of the society,
and lose his family, relatives, friends, and other loved ones ,
and not to mention all the wealth he lost ?
Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years ! A very long
time! Is it possible for someone to maintain the same exact
style of Arabic speech , as demonstrated in Quran, for over 23
years ?
Also, what the prophet Mohammad (saaw) used to say is recorded
in what we call his hadeeth (sunnah). If we look at the Arabic
style of the hadeeth, and compare it with the style of Quran, we
can clearly see that they are clearly DIFFERENT, and
DISTINGUISHABLE Arabic styles. The prophet (saaw) spoke in
public. It does not make sense that a man has two UNIQUE,
Distinguishable, and completely different styles of speech in
public. Yet another reason why Mohammad (saaw) couldn't
possibly have written Quran.
Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years ! A very long
time! Is it possible for someone to maintain the same exact
style of Arabic speech , as demonstrated in Quran over 23 years
?
Here's what our famous Muslim Scholar, Ahmad Deedat said:
[From Ahmed Deedat]
WAS QURAN WRITTEN OR INSPIRED? ------------------------------
"Behold! The angels said: "O Mary! God has chosen you and
purified
you - Chosen you above the women of all nations."
Qur'an-3:42
THE SOURCE OF HIS MESSAGE
"Chosen you above the women of all nations." Such an honour is
not to be found given to Mary even in the Christian Bible!
...........
Knowing full-well, and believing as we do, that the whole Quran
is the veritable Word of God, we will nevertheless agree, for
the sake of argument, with the enemies of Muhammed (pbuh) for a
moment, that he wrote it. We can now expect some cooperation
from the unbeliever.
Ask him, "Have you any qualms in agreeing that Muhammed (pbuh)
was an Arab?" Only an opinionated fool will hesitate to agree.
In that case there is no sense in pursuing any discussion. Cut
short the talk. Close the book!
With the man of reason, we proceed. "That this Arab, in the
first instance, was addressing other Arabs. He was not talking
to Indian Muslims, Chinese Muslims, or Nigerian Muslims. He was
addressing his own people - the Arabs. Whether they agreed with
him or not, he told them in the most sublime form - words that
were seared into the hearts and minds of his listeners that Mary
the mother of Jesus -A JEWESS- was chosen above the women of all
nations. Not his own mother, nor his wife nor his daughter, nor
any other Arab woman, but a Jewess! Can one explain this?
Because to everyone his own mother or wife, or daughter would
come before other women.
Why would the Prophet of Islam honour a woman from his
opposition! and a Jewess at that! belonging to a race which had
been looking down upon his people for three thousand years? Just
as they still look down upon their Arab brethren today.
http://www.jannah.org/articles/quranwrote.html
Then it says a lot about the quality of that time poetry.
Maybe he was mentally ill and had a split personality disorder?
Well, that answers the poor quality of the book.
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Embryology and Life Sciences in Quran
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"The Developing Human. Clinically Oriented Embryology"
K.L. Moore
5th Edition, Philadelphia, W.B. Saunders Co. (1982) ISBN
07216 4662-X $33.95
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The work by Prof. Keith Moore is probably the most detailed
study of the subject. Prof. Keith Moore is Professor and
Chairman of the Department of Anatomy, University of Toronto.
His books on anatomy and on embryology are used at many medical
school as standard instruction books. The Yale Medical school
uses both his books. The Yale Bookstore phone number for
Medical books is: (203) 772-2081. Their general information
number is (203) 432-4771. (New Haven, Connecticut)
He is *the* authority on embryology. I strongly recommend the
latest edition of the latter book as it mentions how accurately
the Qur'an describes embryo development.
Prof. Moore has said:
"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify
statements in
the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that
these statements must have come to Muhammed from God or Allah
because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until
many centuries later. This proves to me that Mohammed must
have been a messenger of God or Allah."
Prof. Marshal Johnson, Professor and Chairman of the Department
of Anatomy and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas
Jefferson University, Philadelphia
He says:
"The Qur'an describes not only the development of external
form but emphasizes also the internal stages -- the stages
inside the embryo of its creation and development, emphasizing
major events recognized by contemporary science.... If I were
to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I know today
and describing things, I could not describe the things that
were described. I see no evidence to refute the concept that
this individual Mohammed had to be developing this information
from some place, so I see nothing in conflict with the concept
that Divine Intervention was involved...."
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To receive a copy of the article that Moore wrote about
'Highlights of Human Embryology in the Koran and Hadith' please
e-mail me at adam3@netcom.com
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That leaves us to our third option: God wrote it !
May Allah Guide Us All to Straight Path. Ameen.
QURAN: Chapter 4, Verse 82:
"Do they not consider (ponder) on the Quran?
If it had been from anyone except Allah, they would
surely have found in it much discrepency
(contradictions)."
http://www.jannah.org/articles/quranwrote.html
Yeah, the world is full of mentally ill people. A shame really...
Illiterate doesn't mean incapable of speaking eloquently. The Book of Mormon was also dictated, and it sounds just as elaborate as the bible. This raises another question, is your faith based on pleasant sounding words? That hardly constitutes evidence of the supernatural.
As far as embryology, the knowledge of stages can be gathered by any butcher of animals. In those days, the average person had greater contact with the bodies of slaughtered animals than people today, who can buy theirs in a grocery store. Why no description of DNA, or something that could not be known from mere casual observation?
As far as embryology, the knowledge of stages can be gathered by any butcher of animals. In those days, the average person had greater contact with the bodies of slaughtered animals than people today, who can buy theirs in a grocery store. Why no description of DNA, or something that could not be known from mere casual observation?
how could Galileo? who figured that Earth rotates around the Sun and not vice versa like the Church claimed!
its from simple observation of Nature my man!
theres about as much science in Quran as in bible,, IOW not much,
thats b/c you dont know what "science" actualy means.
why not?
are you kidding??
people back then surely have seen plenty of dead bodies so cutting one open and seeing how its internal organs are arranged and work would be very easy to do,dont you think?
What discoveries?
like what,, Computers??
I'm sure I don't need a Koran to observe the Sun and the Moon, do you?
U have not read QURAN.SO how cau make u judgement
Was Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) “Illiterate”?
First of all, we’d like to state that Almighty Allah chose Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) even though he had grown up as an orphan and was totally illiterate. All good qualities and virtues reached ultimate perfection and were firmly established in him, which no one else can attain except the prophets whom Allah has protected and guided. This combination of perfect qualities is one of the greatest proofs of the truth of his Prophethood (peace and blessings be upon him). He acquired his knowledge direct from Allah. He was not taught by any human being, but he was the "City of Knowledge".
With regard to the question of the illiteracy of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqr, former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, states:
Almighty Allah says: (And thou (O Muhammad) wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with thy right hand, for then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood.) (Al-`Ankabut 29: 48) He also says: (Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them …) (Al-A`raf 7: 157)
The first verse indicates that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was an illiterate, knowing neither how to read or write, before the Glorious Qur’an started to be revealed to him. The second verse indicates that the People of the Book, i.e., the Christians and Jews, knew of the Prophet’s illiteracy in their Divine Books and this is a well-known matter. The wisdom in his illiteracy as shown in the verses is to avoid the disbelievers’ accusing him of having copied or transformed the Qur’an from another human being or excerpted it from the previous books.
However, regarding the period after the revelation of the Qur’an to the Prophet, Muslim scholars held different viewpoints on the issue of the Prophet’s illiteracy. Some scholars are of the opinion that he was no more an illiterate. They based their ruling on the following three evidences:
1. It is reported in Sahih al-Bukhari that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) changed in the document of al-Hudaibiyah Truce the phrase “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah” into “Muhammad ibn `Abdullah”.
2. He read a paper to `Uyaynah ibn Hisn and conveyed its meaning.
3. He stated that one of the signs of the Anti-Christ (al-Maseeh ad-Dajjal) is that it is written between his eyes the word “a disbeliever”.
The majority of Muslim scholars are of the opinion that he remained illiterate so that no one would be able to refute his mission or that the Qur’an was revealed to him on separate occasions until the end of his lifetime. They refuted the first evidence saying that the Prophet’s mere writing some words does not erase his illiteracy because of the fact that many illiterates nowadays can write their names nevertheless they are still illiterates.
They refuted the second evidence saying that it is unauthentic.
As for the third evidence, they said that the Prophet’s knowing of some letters does not erase his description as being an illiterate.
Accordingly, the Prophet’s illiteracy is a description that has its cogent wisdom.
Finally, we would like to state that there are many textual proofs indicating that even if the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was an illiterate, the Muslim Ummah are recommended to learn how to read and write and to teach it to others, as learning by starting with reading is one of the strongest keys to gaining knowledge. It is reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) ransomed the captives of the great Battle of Badr by having them teach some children of the Ansar (Helpers) reading and writing.
Dr. Rif`at Fawzi, professor of Shari`ah at Cairo University, adds:
Yes, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was an illiterate. This clearly indicates the Divine nature of the Glorious Qur’an that was revealed on Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) who had grown up as an orphan and was illiterate, knowing neither how to read nor write. This Divine Book meets with the previous Divine Books in creeds and stories of Prophets. Almighty Allah challenged all people to try to create a chapter like it, but they could not, and will never be able to do so until the Day of Judgment.
Related Questions
- Prophet Muhammad: An Exalted Example of Character
- Showing Respect to Prophet Muhammad
- The Simple Life of Prophet Muhammad
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet...nglish-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar
Was Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) “Illiterate”?
First of all, we’d like to state that Almighty Allah chose Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) even though he had grown up as an orphan and was totally illiterate. All good qualities and virtues reached ultimate perfection and were firmly established in him, which no one else can attain except the prophets whom Allah has protected and guided. This combination of perfect qualities is one of the greatest proofs of the truth of his Prophethood (peace and blessings be upon him). He acquired his knowledge direct from Allah. He was not taught by any human being, but he was the "City of Knowledge".
With regard to the question of the illiteracy of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqr, former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, states:
Almighty Allah says: (And thou (O Muhammad) wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with thy right hand, for then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood.) (Al-`Ankabut 29: 48) He also says: (Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them …) (Al-A`raf 7: 157)
The first verse indicates that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was an illiterate, knowing neither how to read or write, before the Glorious Qur’an started to be revealed to him. The second verse indicates that the People of the Book, i.e., the Christians and Jews, knew of the Prophet’s illiteracy in their Divine Books and this is a well-known matter. The wisdom in his illiteracy as shown in the verses is to avoid the disbelievers’ accusing him of having copied or transformed the Qur’an from another human being or excerpted it from the previous books.
However, regarding the period after the revelation of the Qur’an to the Prophet, Muslim scholars held different viewpoints on the issue of the Prophet’s illiteracy. Some scholars are of the opinion that he was no more an illiterate. They based their ruling on the following three evidences:
1. It is reported in Sahih al-Bukhari that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) changed in the document of al-Hudaibiyah Truce the phrase “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah” into “Muhammad ibn `Abdullah”.
2. He read a paper to `Uyaynah ibn Hisn and conveyed its meaning.
3. He stated that one of the signs of the Anti-Christ (al-Maseeh ad-Dajjal) is that it is written between his eyes the word “a disbeliever”.
The majority of Muslim scholars are of the opinion that he remained illiterate so that no one would be able to refute his mission or that the Qur’an was revealed to him on separate occasions until the end of his lifetime. They refuted the first evidence saying that the Prophet’s mere writing some words does not erase his illiteracy because of the fact that many illiterates nowadays can write their names nevertheless they are still illiterates.
They refuted the second evidence saying that it is unauthentic.
As for the third evidence, they said that the Prophet’s knowing of some letters does not erase his description as being an illiterate.
Accordingly, the Prophet’s illiteracy is a description that has its cogent wisdom.
Finally, we would like to state that there are many textual proofs indicating that even if the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was an illiterate, the Muslim Ummah are recommended to learn how to read and write and to teach it to others, as learning by starting with reading is one of the strongest keys to gaining knowledge. It is reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) ransomed the captives of the great Battle of Badr by having them teach some children of the Ansar (Helpers) reading and writing.
Dr. Rif`at Fawzi, professor of Shari`ah at Cairo University, adds:
Yes, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was an illiterate. This clearly indicates the Divine nature of the Glorious Qur’an that was revealed on Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) who had grown up as an orphan and was illiterate, knowing neither how to read nor write. This Divine Book meets with the previous Divine Books in creeds and stories of Prophets. Almighty Allah challenged all people to try to create a chapter like it, but they could not, and will never be able to do so until the Day of Judgment.
Related Questions
- Prophet Muhammad: An Exalted Example of Character
- Showing Respect to Prophet Muhammad
- The Simple Life of Prophet Muhammad
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet...nglish-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar
I have,and it doesnt make much sense,sorry
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
see all the contradictions
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/contra/by_name.html
FWIW bible aint any better
www.skepticsannotatedbible.com
he whole situation is retarded, as if the prophet cares whether we like him or not. its pretty obvious those bagging out the prophet are the mindless slaves of their own religion, or just ignorant 'all muslims are terrorists' trying to piss muslims off. they take this bloke so seriously, here's my perspective of that:
mohammad (good on ya mate) was 40 when he was doing the quran, that's plenty of time to develop a religion, especially when it draws so heavily upon christianity. its like every religion, you take a pre-existing one for authenticity, and you add what the people want to it. it sure worked for the romans.
also the prophet being illiterate - you don't need to write to tell a good story. prove a bunch of people didn't write it for him. and prove he couldn't write anyway. as the the poetic excellence, so what? "yeah i converted to islam cos it sounds better". the challenge to non-muslims to provide poetry that's better, firstly art is only a matter of opinion, secondly perhaps the greatest poet ever wrote the quran. the style of writing is still irrelevant.
another defense of Islam is that the prophet was a modest and humble man, he had nothing to gain from creating the word of God. How long after creating Islam was he commanding armies? The man forged the muslim empire by making a book. He provided the social stability, the need for them to work hard and stop the in-fighting. The dominant countries/states around the extended area of Mecca were all run by religions, such as Zoroastrianism, which professed to be 'the twin of the state', stating that the government and religion were inseparable. he found the formula and applied it to his people.
side note: religion is a way of controlling people. look at the bible. gods the shepherd, and christians the sheep.
Anyways, despite all my criticism of people's faith in the prophet, he was a philanthropist, his message was of peace. its only political agendas using religion to fuel wars/terrorism whatever. you can twist the words of anything to further your goals. for those that don't know, jihad means 'to exert effort', not holy war. i see no reason to insult the prophet, so all you dickheads - cut it out.
mohammad (good on ya mate) was 40 when he was doing the quran, that's plenty of time to develop a religion, especially when it draws so heavily upon christianity. its like every religion, you take a pre-existing one for authenticity, and you add what the people want to it. it sure worked for the romans.
also the prophet being illiterate - you don't need to write to tell a good story. prove a bunch of people didn't write it for him. and prove he couldn't write anyway. as the the poetic excellence, so what? "yeah i converted to islam cos it sounds better". the challenge to non-muslims to provide poetry that's better, firstly art is only a matter of opinion, secondly perhaps the greatest poet ever wrote the quran. the style of writing is still irrelevant.
another defense of Islam is that the prophet was a modest and humble man, he had nothing to gain from creating the word of God. How long after creating Islam was he commanding armies? The man forged the muslim empire by making a book. He provided the social stability, the need for them to work hard and stop the in-fighting. The dominant countries/states around the extended area of Mecca were all run by religions, such as Zoroastrianism, which professed to be 'the twin of the state', stating that the government and religion were inseparable. he found the formula and applied it to his people.
side note: religion is a way of controlling people. look at the bible. gods the shepherd, and christians the sheep.
Anyways, despite all my criticism of people's faith in the prophet, he was a philanthropist, his message was of peace. its only political agendas using religion to fuel wars/terrorism whatever. you can twist the words of anything to further your goals. for those that don't know, jihad means 'to exert effort', not holy war. i see no reason to insult the prophet, so all you dickheads - cut it out.
Hi T:
1.tryingto read it now
2. I've met many peoplethat were,but it was the lack of schooling, they were still smart
3. what does being an orphan or illiterate have to do with it, explain
4. dude, you're to long-winded
tres bien, you can't quote muslims when someone is questioning muslim beliefs. the scripture is essentially what's called into question, quoting that isn't helping either. and saying that he's perfect, because he's the perfect prophet, isn't an argument.
Hi Arsalan,
This thread popped up and I got to re-reading your last post. Do you ever think it odd that you always refer to "Muslims". When we refer to great Romans we refer to Romans not 'polytheists' or great Europeans we refer to Italians or English or French or Russians - not Xians. Japanese refer to "Japanese" not "Shinto" ancient Chinese are referred to as 'Chinese' not Daoists. Greeks are Greeks not 'polytheists' etc.. etc.. etc...
Why do you think that is that is the case?
Michael
NOTE: There does seem to be one exception. Persians. Persians refer to Great Persians (or at least the ones I know) not great 'Muslims' but great Persians.
This thread popped up and I got to re-reading your last post. Do you ever think it odd that you always refer to "Muslims". When we refer to great Romans we refer to Romans not 'polytheists' or great Europeans we refer to Italians or English or French or Russians - not Xians. Japanese refer to "Japanese" not "Shinto" ancient Chinese are referred to as 'Chinese' not Daoists. Greeks are Greeks not 'polytheists' etc.. etc.. etc...
Why do you think that is that is the case?
Michael
NOTE: There does seem to be one exception. Persians. Persians refer to Great Persians (or at least the ones I know) not great 'Muslims' but great Persians.