So you think religious thought, study and practice has not been given any time and effort over the past 5ooo years.
That's not what I was getting at, but nevermind. In all those 5,000 years and not one testable, observable or supportable theory, not one fact. It's all guesswork supported by more guesswork. Hope supported by hope, wishful thinking supported by wishful thinking.
I fully believe in evolution, why do you say you'll. You seem to lump everyone with any sense of the spiritual ,in with fundamental christianity. How very convenient for your simple and generalised arguments.
It's an open 'you'll'. They are used quite often but I apologise for the misunderstanding. I was hoping it would be taken in context with the short paragraph, where I stated: "Even now fundamental halfwits will turn round and say: "evolution is just a theory". Doods.. sky fairy belief hasn't even made it to 'worth the consideration' level, but still you'll...."
As you can see, I
was talking about fundamental christianity.
according to the religious, it does all the time?
Do you agree with them?
Origen of species is shoved in my face in classroom and it is in every classroom.
Ok, being a fact it should be taught in classrooms, but you've missed the context of what I was saying. The next line was perhaps more pertinent but you missed it out.
As is the atheist view of the world from 4 years up and you have to learn thi s view and be able to repeat it and if not you fail and then you are victimised for the rest of your life.
Utter nonsense.
School (england) gives
science 6 hours per week - evolution etc
religion (a superficial version) 0.5 hours per week
philosophy 0 hours per week
church (England) gives
religion - all the time
science - never
etc.
Is that not part of the point? And of course it depends on the school. Private schools generally give a lot more time for religious education.
The rest of the point is focused on how one is a study of what has evidence and support vs something that has
no evidence or support. Out of your time scale above, how long is given to study odin? Or perhaps leprechauns? Do leprechauns not have exactly the same amount of evidence to support them as god does, so why should they not be taught about?
Of course I have no objection to someone opening a leprechaun center and teaching all about them there - pretty much the same as having no objection to people teaching their religious stuff in churches. When it comes down to throwing it at my 5 year old daughter and even trying to pass it as a reality - making her stand up in assembly and say "thank you god for looking after me", I have to object.
How the f*** is anyone supposed to think for themselves.
If you consider being indoctrinated as "thinking for themselves", then they could always go to church no?
Exactly not just you decreeing what may be believed or sought after.
When did I imply such a thing? I haven't told anyone to stop going to church - merely that the religious establishments teach religion, (sunday school comes to mind), and schools teach the real stuff - or teach the mystical and fantastical with a very impartial manner, (i.e not getting 5 year olds to stand up and thank god or sing jesus hymns come December).
You obviously do - hence your rather impassioned reply
I never realised there was a problem with typing with conviction. I like to write, I like it to look interesting and meaningful, but it seems you're reading it wrong.
Or you could look at what seems to be a basic human need that throughtout time, in all civilistaion, and on all continents has shown itself to be somehow inherent within us. That is the search for creator, for discovery of our true nature - the search for God.
What someone was doing 5,000 years ago or 10,000 years ago when the world was a pancake does not in any way give any credit to any belief. You're English, can you name me one original English god? And while I agree all these different gods were imagined by man, the men doing the imagining didn't know very much. It stands to reason that people would envision something of higher power than they, and indeed be scared of it, assuming that natural disasters etc were actions by this powerful being, (It's why all earthquakes, floods etc were attributed to powerful beings as opposed to tectonic plates etc).
Spend some more time and you'll notice that those gods represent a major part of the region - something that the imaginers saw very often. In Japan their mythology is full of dragon type animals, Indians have elephant and tiger gods, egyptians had crocodile and vulture type gods, south americans generally had snake type gods and so on. The beliefs reflected the environment. Of course the sun was a main player back then in many many cultures simply because the sun can be seen everywhere, by everyone.
It wasn't a search for gods or creators, it was a search for answers. In those days that was the best answer available. A headache was evil spirits, a plague was a being in a bad mood and so on.
You could look at all the miriad of possibilities that one could just imagine sarting from a blank sheet. But no there is an amazing consistency. It is in fact you who do not take the time and trouble to look for these underlying truths.
Consistency is obvious. No matter where you go in the world you'll find natural disasters, (not so much in England - perhaps why we lack our own god) - and these powerful beings caused these natural occurences - from plagues to floods, earthquakes to aurora borealis. As a result to that pretty much every culture will have consistencies there. They would all also generally share a story whereby two people were made/created. It's very simple understanding for these people - man and woman = child so therefore the a man and woman must have been made to have made a child etc.
Then we need to understand that stories were handed down. When new cultures formed they "inherited" many of those stories, which would as a matter of course become changed slightly. The Enuma Elish eventually becomes the OT - including Adam, the flood, Abraham stories, Moses stories and so on with some mixed in Babylonian astronomy for good measure.
You know, there's pyramids all over the place - Sumeria, (Iraq), Egypt, Mexico, South America, yes - even England, (all be it much much smaller). This does not imply that the need for triangles is inherent in all of us.
Of course there is argument that these inherent human needs are purely phsycological, which is a view I can understand and there is certainly some measure of truth in. But still of course no evidence. So we still need further investigation dont we. Not just mindless dismissal.
See you're just not reading. I haven't dismissed anything. What I'm asking is that when someone comes up with an idea or proposal, that some evidence and proof be established before advertising it as reality. They might not have had that burden 5,000 years ago, but they bloody well do now.
When I first read this I thought you must be living in the middle of bible belt USA, but I see from your profile that you live in England. In which case you must be almost in a paranoid phycosis, scared of all these 'big brother' type christians trying to run your life and your penis
An unworthy sentiment, and again I feel you didn't quite grasp the concept of what I wrote. However...
Because I too live in england and it is about the most atheist country in the world, much more so than any other european country , much more than the USA and any other country you I can think of in the world except china.
This isn't really accurate. England is actually higher up there than quite a few, (especially European), countries - 71.6% of whom consider themselves christian, (and according to a catholic site it's 77%). I forget who but a member here did provide a nice graph a while back. If he reads this and feels like adding it it would be appreciated.
In the meantime you could also check:
http://www.ns.umich.edu/htdocs/releases/print.php?Releases/1997/Dec97/chr121097a
Which has figures concerning sermon attendance. As you can see, England is a lot higher than many countries - which kind of negates the: "I mean the churches in england are all empty".
How the F*** can you feel victimised by christianity here
I have a 5 year old daughter. Perhaps you'll understand if you have a 5 year old daugher being forced to stand up in class and say: "thank you god for looking after me", or singing jesus holy songs because the teacher says so, or coming home and telling me god will save her if she's a good girl.
She's 5 years old, it's her rights I am concerned about and my rights to raise my daughter free from the abuse I consider such action to be. If I want my daughter bowing, praying and singing to the clouds I will take her to church.