Only one God created this Universe!!!!!!

[dattaswami]

Only one God created this Universe!!!!!!

Hindus say that Brahman is the creator, Muslims say
That Allah is creator, Christians say that the creator is
Jehovah, all say that the creation is this entire world.
If Hindus say that Brahman created India, and if
Muslims say that Allah created Arabian countries and
If Christians say that Jehovah created the western countries,
The problem is solved, there can be three Gods together,
Who have created the three parts of the earth separately.

But this is not so, each religion says that their God only
Created the entire world, unfortunately there is one world!
One world only! Come on, all of you sit together here
And give me the final conclusion after debate, otherwise,
The scientists are laughing on all of you! Shame to all!

They criticize that these religions do not have even
The basic logic, which is the fundamental common sense.
Because of you, the greatest God is also mocked by them
They say that the religions are rigid conservatisms!
Even a small boy is putting this question to all of you.

Stop all your discourses and first answer this question.
If you want to say that God created the entire world,
You have to accept that there is one God only always
And that His names are all the above three names.

We see in the world a single person having three names.
If there is one God, He only created this entire world.
All the human beings are invariably His children only.
No Father is partial to a single child and therefore
He must have preached the same knowledge to all
In different languages and in different methodologies
To different levels, this is Universal Spirituality.

At Thy Lotus Feet

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

 

[spidergoat]

Taoists say the universe was not created at all, but grew out of it's own nature. Buddhists say the universe had no beginning, and is cyclical, and futhermore, the question has little relation to our own lives. The question remains, how did this supposedly infinitely complex creator God get created?

(Hindus also say that you and I are also Brahmin)

 

[gsys]

How many gods does it take to create a universe?

4

1 to conjure it and 3 to stand around laughing at how ridiculous it looks.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Taoists say the universe was not created at all, but grew out of it's own nature. Buddhists say the universe had no beginning, and is cyclical, and futhermore, the question has little relation to our own lives. The question remains, how did this supposedly infinitely complex creator God get created?

(Hindus also say that you and I are also Brahmin)

What is it about Gods description, that leads to the assumption that He is a created being?

Jan.

 

[spidergoat]

What is it about the universe's description, that leads to the assumption that it was created?

 

[Jan Ardena]

What is it about the universe's description, that leads to the assumption that it was created?

From the complexity and order of its particles?

Jan

 

[Lerxst]

From the complexity and order of its particles?

How exactly does that imply it was created? I assume you are make an inductive argument, an argument from analogy?

 

[Jan Ardena]

How exactly does that imply it was created?

Based on the the question posed, it is a reasonable assumption.

I assume you are make an inductive argument, an argument from analogy?

Yes.

Jan.

 

[spidergoat]

So Jan, your assumption is that complexity comes from complexity, but it has been proven mathmatically that complexity can emerge from simple algorithms.

 

[Lerxst]

Making an argument from analogy is a bit risky when one of the elements you are comparing to is absolutely unique. And I would say our universe is unique. It is the only one we know about.

 

[Jan Ardena]

So Jan, your assumption is that complexity comes from complexity, but it has been proven mathmatically that complexity can emerge from simple algorithms.

My assumption is that 'due to the complexity and order' found within the universe, it is likely that it could well have been the product of intlligence.

Now;
What is it about Gods description, that leads to the assumption that He is a created being?



Lerxst,

Making an argument from analogy is a bit risky when one of the elements you are comparing to is absolutely unique. And I would say our universe is unique. It is the only one we know about.

So what is your position, regarding both questions?

Jan.

 

[spidergoat]

What is it about Gods description, that leads to the assumption that He is a created being?

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OK, I was rambling a little. Let me be more concise.

You say that the universe is so complex that a God must have created it. So, to follow your own logic, if God is complex, what created God?

 

[Jan Ardena]

spidergoat,

It seems logical, if he created the universe, what created him?

Why would He need to be created?
Why couldn't He have always existed?

The "universe" is a convenient term for "everything", so to say that God created the universe implies that there is something besides everything.

"Everything we can observe", but what power of observation do we have to conclude that the universe is in fact, "everything"?

If he always existed, then to ask what created God is the same as asking where did everything come from?

So what's wrong with that?

I would also ask, how does God create?

Why would you have to ask?
The answers are contained in the scriptures, are they not?

Jan.

 

[Jan Ardena]

\
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OK, I was rambling a little. Let me be more concise.

You say that the universe is so complex that a God must have created it. So, to follow your own logic, if God is complex, what created God?

Nothing, or He wouldn't be God.

Jan.

 

[Godless]

Why would He need to be created?

He was created by your own ignorance.

Why couldn't He have always existed?

Why couldn't the universe always have existed, without any creation of any mythical being?.

define god? what is it?. Where is it? You claim that it exists, we want to see the evidence! get it?

Godless

 

[charles cure]

Why would you have to ask?
The answers are contained in the scriptures, are they not?

Jan.

no, actually, they arent.

 

[spidergoat]

Nothing, or He wouldn't be God.

Jan.

That's why when you ask, what created the universe, I say...nothing!

 

[Lerxst]

Lerxst,

Making an argument from analogy is a bit risky when one of the elements you are comparing to is absolutely unique. And I would say our universe is unique. It is the only one we know about.

So what is your position, regarding both questions?

I'm sorry, what exactly are the two questions again?

 

[Muslim]

Only one God created this Universe!!!!!!

Hindus say that Brahman is the creator, Muslims say
That Allah is creator, Christians say that the creator is
Jehovah, all say that the creation is this entire world.
If Hindus say that Brahman created India, and if
Muslims say that Allah created Arabian countries and
If Christians say that Jehovah created the western countries,
The problem is solved, there can be three Gods together,
Who have created the three parts of the earth separately.

But this is not so, each religion says that their God only
Created the entire world, unfortunately there is one world!
One world only! Come on, all of you sit together here
And give me the final conclusion after debate, otherwise,
The scientists are laughing on all of you! Shame to all!

They criticize that these religions do not have even
The basic logic, which is the fundamental common sense.
Because of you, the greatest God is also mocked by them
They say that the religions are rigid conservatisms!
Even a small boy is putting this question to all of you.

Stop all your discourses and first answer this question.
If you want to say that God created the entire world,
You have to accept that there is one God only always
And that His names are all the above three names.

We see in the world a single person having three names.
If there is one God, He only created this entire world.
All the human beings are invariably His children only.
No Father is partial to a single child and therefore
He must have preached the same knowledge to all
In different languages and in different methodologies
To different levels, this is Universal Spirituality.

At Thy Lotus Feet

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

Sorry but that is pure b.s. Even Hindus believe in one god, everyone believes in one god. So what you're proliferating is nothing new.

 

[Jan Ardena]

That's why when you ask, what created the universe, I say...nothing!

a) I don’t recall asking.
b) Description of the universes origin, from a materialist perspective, is (arguably) a work in progress, whereas description of God is universal, despite your belief status.

You still haven’t answered the question;

What is it about Gods description, that leads to the assumption that He is a created being?

I'm sorry, what exactly are the two questions again?

What is it about Gods description, that leads to the assumption that He is a created being?

What is it about the universe's description, that leads to the assumption that it was created?

Jan.