On Nothing in a void.

[Jan Ardena]

Have a tendency to disagree.

With good and evil as an example there is a range between the two and any point along the range can be considered both good and evil at the same point.

With NOTHING there is no confusion. You have NOTHING or SOMETHING.

Can't have a little tiny bit of SOMETHING.

But SOMETHING does not imply NOTHING just as NOTHING does not imply SOMETHING.

Thinking 'I have a handful of NOTHING therefore there must be a handful of SOMETHING around here'.

Humpty who wishes for something at this time of of year.
Poe who never has anything.

Give me an example of nothing without relating it to something.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Can't have a little tiny bit of SOMETHING.

You said something but it would seem that you meant to say nothing.
Am I correct to take your something as nothing?
Alex

 

[exchemist]

You need more than a nap between naps my friend.

Few ton of fish for memory food might help recovery of neurones

Reason why our Universe not inside my Total Infinite Void - it does not exist. And to nip a possible retort it is not outside my Total Infinite Void my Total Infinite Void does not have a outside.

Not hidden in a corner, under the kitty litter, in the laundry hamper.



Sorry I don't have any doors, windows, chimney, cat/dog flap or other type exit/entry to go outside (which incidentally I might have mentioned does not exist).

Not even a Star Trek transporter machine.

Plus not sure how to cut nothing in half.

Would filling in half of of Infinite count?

Where is the local Bunnings for a wheelbarrow and a landscape soil provider?



I am not a fan of the laws of physics varying between sections of Infinite.

More of a one size good enough for all of it.

Humpty Dumpty going for nap while Poe waits for Bunnings to deliver wheelbarrow to begin filling.

Are you an alter ego of Krash, by any chance"

[shakes head]

 

[Michael 345]

Give me an example of nothing without relating it to something.

Might be cross purpose misunderstanding here.

My NOTHING is a concept.

Tying it to SOMETHING physical gives you a gazillion items of which you can have none.

Lump those gazillion together and they stand alone as SOMETHING without having to say either you have none of each of the gazillion or you have none of the whole group of gazillion.

If I say to a friend 'I have 3 Christmas T shirts' I am sure he does not think 'If he didn't have those T shirts he would have NOTHING T shirts'

A better thought would be NONE which is not same as NOTHING.

Humpty Dumpty who can't find Poe who has turned to nothing.

 

[Yazata]

The subject of nothing often comes up and yet it could be argued that nothing does not in fact exist.

I'm inclined to agree, since only existing things can exist and nothing isn't an existing thing.

I ask what is nothing? How should it be defined?

I consider it kind of a limit-concept.

Consider absences. I might say that there are no spoons in my drawer without having to believe that 'no-spoons' is a particularly occult kind of something that does exist in my drawer.

Now imagine the absence of absolutely everything. No material objects, no physical fields, no spatial or temporal extension, no abstract laws of physics, no mathematical relationships... anything that can be said to exist in any conceivable way... gone.

Is there nothing in a void or is a void nothing.

A physical void, a vacuum, would be the absence of physical matter. But it would still have extension, geometrical properties, play host to fields and events like quantum pair-production, and presumably whatever happens in the vacuum would still be subject to the laws of physics and to mathematical and logical relationships. Calling vacuums 'nothing' is like observing that there are no spoons in my drawer and pronouncing it empty, while it's still got knives and forks in it.

Can you say something about nothing.

Not directly. Presumably words and referring-expressions refer to things. The word 'apple' refers to apples. The word 'coin' refers to coins.

But when we are talking about nothing in the strong sense of the absence of everything, then our words can't refer any longer since there wouldn't be anything left for them to refer to.

That's why I think of 'nothing' as a limit-concept. It's a boundary that we can push existing existing things past so that they go away, without anything existing on the other side of the boundary or the boundary even having an 'other side' at all. It's not a dark and empty void or a peculiarly occult state of being. It's just where reality... ends.

Imagine some of the strongest ideas of the 'big bang', concepts that imagine it as the beginning of space and time. People ask 'what was before the big bang'. But in this kind of picture, there wasn't any 'before the big bang'. The origin event is the boundary limit of time itself.

 

[Michael 345]

You said something but it would seem that you meant to say nothing.
Am I correct to take your something as nothing?
Alex

Not.

Can't have a little bit of SOMETHING.

Either have SOMETHING (and there are a gazillion somethings around) and whatever you have is SOMETHING not a little bit of something.

Poe still has nothing, not a little bit of nothing. :

Are you an alter ego of Krash, by any chance"

[shakes head]

 

[Jan Ardena]

With good and evil as an example there is a range between the two and any point along the range can be considered both good and evil at the same point.

Good and evil has nothing to do with the concept of nothing.

With NOTHING there is no confusion. You have NOTHING or SOMETHING.

You can only have nothing in the absence of something.

Can't have a little tiny bit of SOMETHING

Why not?

But SOMETHING does not imply NOTHING just as NOTHING does not imply SOMETHING.

I didn't say it did.

Thinking 'I have a handful of NOTHING therefore there must be a handful of SOMETHING around here'.

How can you have a handful of nothing?

Humpty who wishes for something at this time of of year.
Poe who never has anything

Is this an insult.?

Jan.

 

[Michael 345]

Are you an alter ego of Krash, by any chance"

[shakes head]

Not even knowing who Krash is I can truely say no.

Is Krash short for Krashdassion?

Humpty Dumpty not alto to anything

 

[Michael 345]

Good and evil has nothing to do with the concept of nothing.

Never said it did

You can only have nothing in the absence of something.

NOTHING is a concept which does NOT rely on a material something.

Why not?

Because a little bit of something is still something.

How can you have a handful of nothing?

A hand with nothing in it.

Is this an insult.

No????

 

[C C]

Well the title is a mere attention getter. I want to discuss nothing in general rather than placing it in a void. The subject of nothing often comes up and yet it could be argued that nothing does not in fact exist. Some say before everything there was nothing, some say there is nothing on the outside of the universe, some say they have nothing to say rather than to say something. I ask what is nothing? How should it be defined? Can nothing exist and does it take up space? Is there nothing in a void or is a void nothing. Can you say something about nothing.

Existence is fundamental (in the broadest sense of subsuming material / spatial types, immaterial / potent-principle types, etc). Since anything asserted to be prior in rank to it would already contradictorily be an instance of existing.

"Nothing" functionally indicates that an ordering framework is just empty of a specific item or items rather than literal absence of everything. Such as a room lacking furniture but still containing air, dust particles, cosmic rays, etc. Or a symbolic system lacking a value in a slot (blank placeholder). The background condition of space itself or that of an abstract organization would be instantiating "something" themselves even if / when they were regulating templates totally vacant of content.[*]

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[*] The view of space as falling out of the relationships of entities doesn't lend itself to being mistakenly treated as "nothing" to begin with, due to presence of said entities. Ergo only mentioning the conception of it as a coordinating background for the eventual possibility of co-existing entities.

 

[BdS]

Give me an example of nothing without relating it to something.

 

[Magical Realist]

But that "nothing" is related to a quote.

 

[BdS]

no thing

 

[Jan Ardena]

no thing

Still relating to a quote.

Jan.

 

[Magical Realist]

no thing

Related to a time and an avatar.

 

[BdS]

My posts aren’t supposed to be there and you the one relating my posts to the quote time and avatar.

I only posted to communicate that I had the answer and it was to say nothing.

 

[Magical Realist]

My posts aren’t supposed to be there and you the one relating my posts to the quote time and avatar.

I only posted to communicate that I had the answer and it was to say nothing.

No..every post is related to a time and avatar. You are no exception.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

I suggest that there is no place where we find nothing in so far as there is always something.
In the most empty part of space there is something.
I find such interesting.
Alex

 

[Magical Realist]

Nothing doesn't exist. Which is to say, nothing is nothing. Which is to say: There is only Being---exuberant, immediately accessible, and infinite. Enjoy..

 

[karenmansker]

Well . . . . . perhaps 'nothing' is utilized similar to 'infinite' - as a mathematical construct to convey a qualitative linguistic meaning - but actually having no quantitative value