Observations of the Dream World.

Reiku said:
Yes, the gradual collapse and entanglement of particles in the brain, acts as a conduit for the mind. But the world without an observer is meaningless.
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Only to the observer, which doesn't exist.. :shrug:

Besides, the world is already meaningless with observers.
 
Enny

Think about how you define the world ''real''.

Real, in physics, is when there is an observer present. Without the observer, no meaning, and no reality at large to talk about, even if the philosophical side of us insideously claims something must be there.

Yes, perhaps. Just nothing we can define as real to us.
 
Reiku said:
Enny

Think about how you define the world ''real''.

Real, in physics, is when there is an observer present. Without the observer, no meaning, and no reality at large to talk about, even if the philosophical side of us insideously claims something must be there.

Yes, perhaps. Just nothing we can define as real to us.
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We are not the center of the universe, it does fine without us.
 
It may not be a case, of how mind arises from matter, but instead, how matter arises from mind
 
No, being very serious.

The world you see, is not the real world. Its a projection created by our neural networks.

Now, in this sense, the objects of the outside world, certainly arise from mind.
 
An object of the outside world, projected into the three-dimensional phenom of the mind, is by definition, the way that, that ''thing'' becomes real.
 
Reiku said:
An object of the outside world, projected into the three-dimensional phenom of the mind, is by definition, the way that, that ''thing'' becomes real.
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Do you agree that the objects "of the outside world" exist independently of the mind ?
 
Is the mind meaningful without matter? If the answer is no, is it the same the other way about too?
 
Reiku said:
...It is hard quantum evidence. And the Copenhagen, does state this.
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Please do show it from the original source.

Reiku said:
...and it states that reality is potential before observation.
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Unfortunately you still think an 'observer' must be conscious / sapient. An observer in physics is any system capable of receiving information... whether it be a book, dog, rock, camera, or block of cheese.
 
Reiku said:
Reality, a true defined reality, one we can talk about, requires meaning.
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Meaning objectively is the relationship between two or more variables. It exists whether or not there are humans to comprehend it. Meaning subjectively is importance and is utterly irrelevant to the objective.
 
Crunchy

No, i don't think an observer needs to be conscious, but when any meaning is involved, yes, it does. An atom at arrival to another atom, cannot memorize what they experience. It has been said this is why observer-effects are important, because we add detail to spacetime.
 
And crunchy, please learn something about the Copenhagen Interpretation, before trying to make concerns on it where i might be erreneous? You say, the Copenhagen does not predict an observer-dependancy... this is wrong..

'No photon exists until a detector fires, only a developing potentiality. Particle-like and wave-like behavior are properties we ascribe to light. Without us, light has no properties, no existence. There is no independent reality for phenomena nor agencies of observation.'
Niels Bohr

'The world in Copenhagen interpretation is merely potential before our observation, and is actual afterwards.'
Bryce S. DeWitt

'We have to imagine the system a-attentively trying out all potentialities out of which one actually emerges.'
David Bohm
 
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