Damn I feel like the poor relative, I lived on bxxrr'lbx XIV, and could only afford to visit bxxrr'lbx XVI on the Holidays.
phlogistician said:Check the archives, we already did Kecksburg. There was a 'paper' posted about the incident a year or more ago, which placed the location in the wrong country, and contained a statement from someone who allegedly had a PhD that was totally fallacious, indicating the paper was fiction.
I can't be arsed to go through it again. It's been debunked, let it die.
JDawg said:You're never going to win, Stryder...these folks already have it in their heads that UFOs are being kept secret, so you cannot convince them otherwise. They aren't looking for this "truth" they speak of; they only search for conformation, and anything that points against their belief will be considered fake, lies, or skeptical nonsense. It's funny, really, but very annoying at the same time.
JD
Stryder said:Have you not thought that they sent it to NASA because NASA wanted it back?
I mean just read about the recovery of the "Dome shaped object" in the second link and the "aluminium foil" points. It's know for years the US has been sending rockets and eventually manned missions into space, during the process of getting people up there it required preportions of the rockets to breakoff as the fuel deplete, not all of those parts would have fallen directly back to earth, some would have floated in a decaying orbit around the earth with the eventual occurance of falling back down.
Obviously if thats the case then you can't say when or where those parts would land and obviously since they were US made and funded I'm sure they wanted them returned rather than being reverse engineered.
As for the where abouts of 50 year old documentation, Well it might be law to declassify after 50 years, but wheres the law to say adminstration has to keep the documents that long? I know in the UK businesses are suppose to keep accounts records for about 3 years incase they are required and people moan about it, I'm sure they would really moan if they had to keep them for 50 years.
The object at Kecksburg was unidentified, YES A UFO, AND SENT TO NASA(To determine it's origin) where it has been hidden for 50-30? years. If that's not hiding a UFO, then nothing is.
JDawg said:OK, so you're jumping to conclusions. You don't know that it's been hidden anywhere, let alone at NASA, so let's just drop that story right now. Let us stick to the facts. And for once, I might have to take the kook's side on this one. I've done my research here, and I'm quite impressed with the findings. Let's talk, shall we?
In 1965, the official Air Force response to the Kecksburg incident was that the impact was caused by a meteor, and nothing was recovered at the site. However, in 2003, Nicholas L Johnson, the cheif scientist for orbital debris at NASA stated that after checking the orbital paths of known satellites from that time in 1965, there was no possibility that it was a satellite that crashed in Kecksburg. Yet, in 2005, NASA officially stated that it was a Russian satellite bound for Venus that crashed, and not only that, but they had recovered debris from the crash that had scattered along the way. Unfortunately, NASA says the records were lost, except 40 non-descript pages regarding the incident.
OK, so I'm not going to get into the eyewitness testimony here, because I think it's all bullshit, to be honest. There is a construction worker who claims to have hauled bricks to the base in which the craft was located, and somehow, despite needing fucking the highest clearance level to reach the area, he "snuck a peek" at the object...yeah, sure, whatever you say, pal. That, and the people saying that the falling object seemed to have "intelligent control" as it went...I'm sorry, but they are talking out there asses.
What I will say is that this whole fiasco with NASA making two different claims, and the Air Force making another, each contradicting the other in numerous ways, is quite interesting. I won't, however, start in on the whole "lost documents" thing, because shit like that happens all the time; there have been banks that lose their entire client list's personal information...the fact is that people are human, and they make mistakes. Perhaps the damned thing is misfiled somewhere else, or it was accidentally thrown away, or damaged somehow.
Didn't NASA just last week announce that they had lost a shitload of information?
Things like that do NOT in any way equal a cover up.
But I want some answers on this. I want to know why the Air Force first said in 1965 that it was a meteor, and then NASA in 2005 said it was a Russian satellite that they recovered pieces of, only to say two years before that that it was not possible to be a satellite of any kind. These things need to be answered.
But I imagine that it has more to do with incompetence and lack of leadership than a cover up.
The biggest question of all this is why the fuck would they cover it up? This is NASA, the guys and gals who are exploring the cosmos. They would kill for the opportunity to find a friggin UFO! If they had alien technology in their hands, they would tell us. Otherwise, why the hell are they out there on Mars looking for water and life and stuff like that if they're just going to keep it to themselves? It does not make any sense, and you can't argue around that.
JD
Ophiolite said:Government officials have
a) a natural tendency to be secretive
b) an natural tendency to cover up incompetence
c) some have an above average tendency to be incompetent
You don't require anything more than these three things to explain all the lies, dishonesty and manipulation. I find human mendacity and mediocrity(proven qualities) a more persuasive an explanation than alien visitations.
You don't need to ask if they have covered it up. We know they have factually covered it up, and in my past investigations I've proven that NASA does work with our miltiary to hide sensitive information.
It's also important to understand this - The United States still says no military presense was deployed to Kecksburg that night and that nothing was recovered. NASA, just a year ago said "oh yeah that was a russian satelite" - in response to a FOIA request.
have a feeling this is going to be the case which will prove NASA has studied crashed objects that are of unknown origin. I also believe that some of those (rare) objects were of ALIEN origin. It's my hope, this case will prove that. The sad twist is those working at NASA probably would deep down love the same thing.
Yes, I have seen enough "evidence" which illustrates our military covers up, hides, destroys, lies about UFO's to form MY OWN OPINION on the topic.
I've learned long ago the trump card all skeptics have is the most likely claim. Because, let's face it - almost anything is more likely than aliens
But that really does not get us anywhere, IF THE EVIDENCE WE'D USE TO PROVE THE EXISTANCE OF ALIENS IS HIDDEN. Thus, the importance of this case is not in the aliens - it's in the coverup.
It illustrates why it's ridiculous to request evidence of something that is DEEPLY top secret and hidden. As this case represents. That is, unless you still think this object is a rock.
NASA owns an operates based on government regulations an other various sources. It's in essence a private corporation to which no one outside can have access.
Even if they are covering up UFO's an alien activity what right does anyone have to actually know? I mean I'd love to know an hear more about this from them but it's not their responsibility to share that information should it exist
I could learn all about these incidents an it would be my right to know then. However if I'm just not bright or smart enough to figure things out, or do research comparable to that of NASA, well why should they help?
if I had intelligence enough then I could pretty much figure out an research in the same ways they can, it would just require alot of effort an backing