Originally posted by heflores
Hypewaders, I don't understand why you are so upset about? US position is clear. US will give Iraq democracy if Iraq does not select any religious leader or instill any islamic laws and agree to whatever leader and rules the US and Israel will recommend....Untill all those detailed are worked out, all dead are to be considered collateral damage.....It's clear as mud, comeon now...
hey you conservatives out there, preferabally Jerrek, what the latest detail on enduring freedom operation in Afghanistan....Has the Afghani people started experiencing some enduring freedom yet....?
The AP wire story just hit minutes ago; there's less there than the GDN version.Everybody now bring your family down to the riverside
Look to the east to see where the fat stock hide
Behind four walls of stone the rich man sleeps
It's time we put the flame torch to their keep
Burn down the mission
If we're gonna stay alive
Watch the black smoke fly to heaven
See the red flame light the sky
Burn down the mission
Burn it down to stay alive
It's our only chance of living
Take all you need to live inside
(Bernie Taupin, "Burn Down the Mission")
Obviously, as the cause is under investigation, speculation on the specific cause would be inappropriate. However, an issue does come to mind.Each Stryker vehicle can carry up to 11 soldiers and is designed to operate at top speeds of more than 60 miles per hour. The Fort Lewis brigade is built around 309 Strykers, which are outfitted with high-tech computers to help scout the enemy and communicate among units.
They are intended to offer more protection than Humvees and trucks, yet be quicker — and easier to ship to battle — than tanks. Army officials are planning to spend at least $9 billion to outfit six brigades with the Strykers and see them as a possible stepping stone for the force of the future.
The Fort Lewis 3rd Brigade 2nd Division is the first to be certified for combat. The brigade and associated unit totaling some 5,000 soldiers arrived in Kuwait last month, along with the Strykers and a complement of Humvees, trucks and other vehicles. (Seattle Times)
Um ... yeah, people. Take care of yourselves over there.Friday, two soldiers still in Kuwait were wounded before dawn when a 40 mm grenade from a MK19 automatic grenade launcher apparently misfired in the weapon.
The soldiers, who have not been identified, were replacing a .50-caliber machine gun atop a Stryker vehicle with the MK19 when the accident occurred . . . .
. . . . The soldiers were part of the 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry regiment. The commander of the unit, Lt. Col. Karl Reed, yesterday ordered all soldiers to undergo a refresher on safety-certification training on the .50-caliber machine gun and the MK19.
"We got lucky," he said. "We are lucky we are not burying two soldiers."
Well ... what to say?At least 300 troops from the 700-strong 1st Battalion of the New Iraqi Army walked out less than two months after completing training.
The resignations are a blow to US attempts to build up the Iraqi security forces, who will have a far greater role in running the country once America and Britain hand over power on July 1 to an Iraqi government. The troops, most of whom were recruited from the ranks of Saddam Hussein's army, complained that they were paid less than police officers: $50 (about £30) a month, against $120 a month paid to police. Officers were paid $180, which puts them on the same wage as senior police.
"They said they were not happy with their terms and conditions and they didn't obey the instructions of their commanding officers and therefore they are no longer soldiers in the 1st Battalion of the New Iraqi Army," said an official from the coalition provisional authority, the US-led administration in Baghdad.
"They felt that they should be paid more money than the police, because they felt the police could go home at night and they didn't go home at night," the official said. "That's their point of view."
The pay scales of all the security forces are under review as a result of the mass resignations. The official added that the salaries were now "hugely higher" than the typical $2 monthly wage paid to Saddam's conscript army. "We will review the salaries, but I think their remuneration package at the moment is at least very fair," he said.
If you're the bad guys, and you're in the middle of Iraq, and you're facing off against the United States of America, you just had a reasonably good day. Pentagon numbers stand at 2,431 U.S. military personnel wounded in action in Iraq as of January 7, 2004 (CNN).An estimated six mortar rounds struck in or near Logistical Base Seitz, according to a U.S. military statement that said the wounded troops had been given first aid or been evacuated for medical treatment.
No further details were available regarding the attack or the conditions of those receiving medical treatment. "Some have already returned to duty," a U.S. military spokesman said, but he was unable to provide any figures.
The soldiers belonged to the 541st Maintenance Battalion of the 3rd Corps Support Command.
A US Air Force C-5 Galaxy transport plane made a safe landing in Baghdad on Thursday after it apparently was hit by a surface-to-air missile, a military official said. An official told CNN it is believed the plane was struck at an altitude of about 6,000 feet. There were 63 passengers and crew members on board. No injuries were reported.
The disagreement makes all the more desperate the Bush administration push toward Iraqi self-government due at the end of June. While the administration might hope to craft other parts of the system around these troublesome issues, one Kurdish member of the IGC said that ignoring such details was tantamount to building a time bomb.The United States faces the prospect of two governments inside Iraq -- one for Kurds and one for Arabs -- after so far failing to win a compromise from the Kurds on a formula to distribute political power when the U.S. occupation ends, according to U.S. and Iraqi officials.
L. Paul Bremer, the chief U.S. administrator in Iraq, twice met with the two main Kurdish leaders over the past week to urge them to back down from their demands to retain autonomy, according to U.S. officials.
But in a new setback for U.S. plans in Iraq, the Kurds have not budged. They insist on holding on to the basic political, economic and security rights they have achieved during a dozen years of being cut off from the rest of Iraq during Saddam Hussein's rule.
"They have a strong hand and they're playing it," a senior administration official said. (Wright/Sipress)
Apparently this concession is not enough to satisfy some American purpose, as the Post reports that Negroponte will meet with Annan instead of a "high-level delegation" originally scheduled to include Assistant Secretaries of State Kim Holmes (International Organization Affairs) and William Burns (Near Eastern Affairs).They will also seek to enlist the U.N. chief's help in heading off an effort by influential Shiite Muslim leaders, including the cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, to renegotiate the plan for political transition in Iraq. The current plan calls for a series of regional caucuses to appoint a provisional government this summer. Sistani wants elections conducted to create that government.
Abdel Aziz Hakim, a Shiite political figure who served as rotating president of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council last month, asked Annan in a confidential Dec. 29 letter to send a U.N. team to Iraq to determine whether national elections could be organized before creation of a provisional government. He also appealed to Annan to help negotiate the terms for the country's political transition in the event that elections were deemed "unfeasible."
In an important concession to the United States, the U.N. chief sent Hakim a reply Thursday night, saying that elections cannot be organized in time for the establishment of the provisional government. He also declined to commit to a role in negotiating new terms for elections, but said that a more representative group of Iraqis should participate in the political process, sources familiar with the letter said. (Lynch)
While plans involve airlifting many troops into Iraq, the recent attack against an Air Force C-5 reminds American troops of a nearby enemy. As one senior Army officer expressed, "The enemy gets a vote."The Pentagon has begun a shift of troops into and out of Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan that promises to be the most challenging movement of U.S. forces in more than half a century, military officials announced yesterday . . . .
. . . . An advance team from the Army's III Corps -- whose commander, Lt. Gen. Thomas Metz, is due to take operational control of the new force -- has also gone to Baghdad.
The turnover of troops, intended to substitute fresh U.S. forces for the battle-tested ones that have spent up to a year at war, poses enormous logistical burdens. Scheduled to last between now and May, the operation is unusual not only for its large scope and compressed timetable but also for its need to transport sizable numbers of troops into and out of combat zones at the same time.
"It's the biggest one we've ever had in some respects," Lt. Gen. Franklin "Buster" Hagenbeck, chief of Army personnel, said in an interview. He predicted "hiccups along the way" but added: "It's going to work." (Graham)
The one bit of good news for the United States is that Iraq appears to have averted a crisis over the role of Islam in its new government. The Iraqi council has come up with a formula declaring that Iraq is a state with a majority Muslim community committed to the protection of minorities. Islamic law, or the Sharia, will be a source of legislation, but not the only source, Iraqis and U.S. officials say.
Indeed, it looks as if the Kurdish faction played a strong enough hand to win the present round, though the unresolved issues surrounding the three additional provinces claimed by the Kurds could still prove to be the "time bomb" that undoes a fragile federalism. Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Faisal said, of the Kurdish situation:Iraq’s interim Governing Council has agreed to a federal structure for the country and to enshrining Kurdish self-rule in three northern provinces in the fundamental law that will precede national elections in late 2005, council member Judge Dara Nurradin said Friday.
The fate of three more provinces over which the Kurds have claims would be decided later, he added.
“In the fundamental law, Kurdistan will have the same legal status as it has now,” he told AFP, referring to the region that has enjoyed virtual autonomy since the end of the 1991 Gulf War . . . .
. . . . The decision came after the 25-member council’s five Kurdish members refused to budge on the issue during heated discussions. (AFP)
Whether or not this latest development is good news will only be determined in history. Despite its heavy-handedness in matters of war, the Bush administration is scoring quiet successes on the international front; it's a wonder they don't play up the Libya angle a bit more. So it seems, all-around, to Bush's favor, in light of the administration's apparent unwillingness to meet the Kurds on every point, to leave certain issues to another day. While this could prove folly for the administration, the last thing Bush needs is a bunch of Kurds in the north prepared to resist Coalition occupation. Finesse, a gentle touch--the world likes a man with a slow hand."Regimes founded on a confessional or ethnic basis do not help bring stability and territorial integrity to a country . . . . The danger of starting on the confessional and ethnic road will consequently partition Iraq . . . ." (Washington Post)
--they're hardly a rush to new progress. Security and autonomy issues still separate the Coalition and the UN, and everybody seems to be looking to January 19, when more discussions are set to take place. The UK has offered Ambassador Greenstock, while the US has not yet indicated its representation."He (Annan) is more in a listening mode today," said his spokesman Fred Eckhard. "We are maintaining an open mind." (Leopold, Reuters)
On December 10, a defense official in Washington said an Air Force C-17 cargo and troop transport plane was hit by a surface-to-air missile after takeoff from Baghdad with a crew of three and 13 passengers.
On November 22, a DHL cargo plane was hit by a shoulder-fired SA-14 surface-to-air missile as it took off from Baghdad airport. DHL temporarily suspended flights into Iraq after the incident.
Col. James K. Gilman, director of health policy and services for the Army surgeon general, said that July's spike in suicides caused "great concern" but that no obvious common factor has emerged linking the individual cases. July's high rate, he said, did not reappear.
"You don't see worsening over time," Gilman said. The findings of the mental health team sent to Iraq in September have not been publicly released, he said.
The 19 Army deaths represented a suicide rate of more than 13.5 per 100,000 troops, officials said, which is higher than the Army's average of 10.5 to 11 per 100,000 troops in recent years. The overall suicide rate in the 1.2 million-member, active duty military is about one-third lower than that of the civilian population of about the same age range, defense officials said.
One official who spoke on the condition of anonymity called suicides in Iraq "an issue of concern, not an epidemic" and said: "It certainly is not at the 'Oh, my God' stage or panic or anything. But when the Army saw the numbers start to go up, they took very swift action, and have been working very hard ever since."
The Army and the Marines have stressed suicide prevention since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, after suicides that officials say may be at least partly attributable to lengthy deployments in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The numbers last year run counter to experience in past conflicts, when military suicides dropped during times of combat, officials said. During those conflicts, officials thought the reduction could be linked to troops' preoccupation with surviving combat, and with their removal from domestic problems and other personal pressures.
Or, to paraphrase Roger Waters, "Georgie, what have you done?"Scale of dragon, tooth of wolf,
Witches' mummy, maw and gulf
Of the ravined salt-sea shark,
Root of hemlock digged in' the dark,
Liver of blaspheming Jew,
Gall of goat, and slips of yew
Silvered in the moon's eclipse,
Nose of Turk and Tartar's lips,
Finger of birth-strangled babe
Ditch-delivered by a drab,
Make the gruel thick and slab:
Add thereto a tiger's chaudron,
For the ingredients of our cauldron.
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
Cool it with a baboon's blood,
Then the charm is firm and good.
(Shakespeare, Macbeth)