News from the Colonies - America's War in Iraq

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Destroyer said:
But do you apply that logic to what Bush and his administration says?
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Not to what they SAY ..because I can hear that coming from their mouths!

But I apply the same skepticism to newscast REPORTS of what the administration officials said or did.

Destroyer said:
When Georgie boy told you Iraq had WMD did you believe him? Or did it just show up your own gullibility?
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I was skeptical at the time ...but our duly elected government decided to go to war with Iraq ...and most of the congress saw/read the intelligence reports and approved going to war.

Even if I'd been fully against it, there was nothing that I could do ....that's how our system works, and how it should work. Personally, I'd hate it if each citizen had the right to tell our government what and how to do anything.

Baron Max
 
"Personally, I'd hate it if each citizen had the right to tell our government what and how to do anything."

Then it must really rankle you to be admonished to consider informed dissent a duty.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
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-Theodore Roosevelt
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5375064.stm
US report says Iraq fuels terror
The document reportedly blames the conflict for increasing the threat of terrorism and helping fuel Islamic radicalism worldwide.

Such a conclusion is at odds with the White House's persistent claim that going to war was the right thing to do.
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If what they say is true, our correspondent says, the document appears to undermine US President George W Bush's insistence that for all the flaws of the Iraq war, the world is now a safer place.
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Well well. Didn't we say that all along.
 
One person's claim or opinion is just that, Spurious, and nothing more.

Instead of believing and posting the pessimistic reports, why not believe and post some of the optimistic reports? Why believe one over the other? Oh, wait ....it must be your own agenda, huh?

Baron Max
 
Baron Max said:
One person's claim or opinion is just that, Spurious, and nothing more.

Instead of believing and posting the pessimistic reports, why not believe and post some of the optimistic reports? Why believe one over the other? Oh, wait ....it must be your own agenda, huh?

Baron Max
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Is this your argument? You lacked a proper response and attack the messenger. again.
 
spuriousmonkey said:
Is this your argument? You lacked a proper response and attack the messenger. again.
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Well, no, it's not an argument. I don't want to argue with you or with the article. It's just one more person's opinion and shouldn't mean any more to us than any other person's opinion. Too often we grab at what we want to read or hear, thus solidifying our own stance on an issue.

My problem with it all is .....I keep wondering why we think that we MUST make a decision on many of these issues? I mean, most often it has virtually no meaning to our small, insignificant lives, so why are we so quick to decide some issue that has no bearing on our lives? Why not wait a few thousand years and read about it in the history books? Books that might be written by professionals who actually have gather ALL of the facts and conditions and put forth their theories?

Why are we so quick to make up our minds? Especially when we know for sure that we don't have all of the information about it?

Baron Max
 
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Baron Max said:
Why are we so quick to make up our minds? Especially when we know for sure that we don't have all of the information about it?
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Because it is obvious Iraq was not invaded to fight terrorism. and it is also obvious invading a muslim country would fuel terrorism.
 
spuriousmonkey said:
Because it is obvious Iraq was not invaded to fight terrorism.
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Must not be too obvious, because many people feel that it was!

spuriousmonkey said:
and it is also obvious invading a muslim country would fuel terrorism.
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Must not be too obvious, because many people feel that it reduced the terrorism against the USA.

Again, why do you have to decide on these things? Would make any difference, ANY difference, in your life if you waited a while to decide? Why rush to judgement, especially when you don't have all the info or the expertise of world politics?

Baron Max
 
Baron Max said:
Must not be too obvious, because many people feel that it was!



Must not be too obvious, because many people feel that it reduced the terrorism against the USA.

Again, why do you have to decide on these things? Would make any difference, ANY difference, in your life if you waited a while to decide? Why rush to judgement, especially when you don't have all the info or the expertise of world politics?

Baron Max
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You are wrong. Only rightwing american dumbasses felt that way. They are a tiny minority in the world.


I know they think a lot of themselves of course.
 
spuriousmonkey said:
You are wrong. Only rightwing american dumbasses felt that way.
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Well, I'm certainly glad that you're not biased, and that you still can keep an open mind about it all. :)

But you still didn't answer my question: Why must you make up you mind about thing so quickly? Why not wait until you have all of the info from all of the possible sources? Why jump to quick judgements?

Baron Max
 
Baron Max said:
Well, I'm certainly glad that you're not biased, and that you still can keep an open mind about it all. :)

But you still didn't answer my question: Why must you make up you mind about thing so quickly? Why not wait until you have all of the info from all of the possible sources? Why jump to quick judgements?

Baron Max
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Prove that i jumped.
 
Dear Posters

Rather than started a new thread i thought i'd just lump this in here:::

but i found this rather disturbing (albeit rather predictable)if indeed true

taken from "the Times UK"

Iraq al Qaida chief's holy war call

The new leader of al Qaida in Iraq urged Muslims to make the holy month of Ramadan a "month of holy war," in an audiotape posted on Islamic website. The man on the tape identified himself as Abu Hamza al-Muhajir -- also known as Abu Ayyub al-Masri -- the leader of al Qaida in Iraq, though the voice could not be independently identified. He is believed to have succeeded Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who died in a US airstrike north of Baghdad in June.

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these guys are really pricks.... using ramadan to incite more violence and the hatred of non muslims.. when muslims are meant to be more chairtable, spiritual and tolerant and patient....
 
Zakariya04 said:
these guys are really pricks.... using ramadan to incite more violence and the hatred of non muslims.. when muslims are meant to be more chairtable, spiritual and tolerant and patient....
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Zak, I have to agree that they're pricks ...or worse murderers! But why does it seem that there are more Muslims doing that in the world than any other race/religion/culture/or whatever?

That's not being anti-Muslim, JamesR, it's asking a good question about the seeming overwhelming numbers of Muslim terrorists versus any other type or kind of terrorist. Why so many Muslim terrorists than, say, Mexican terrorists? Or American terrorists? Or....?

Baron Max
 
Baron Max said:
Zak, I have to agree that they're pricks ...or worse murderers! But why does it seem that there are more Muslims doing that in the world than any other race/religion/culture/or whatever?
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Because you are blinded by hatred?
 
spuriousmonkey said:
Because you are blinded by hatred?
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Oh, could be ...but I doubt it.

Perhaps you'd be so kind as to point out the same level of terrorism exhibited by other religions/cultures?

Baron Max
 
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