News From Gaza

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James R said:
The name-calling in this thread is unproductive. For example, take the recent exchange, above, between Mr Spock and draqon.

If members are unable to discuss events in Gaza without calling each other names, there will really be no option but to close the thread.
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and the purpose of this thread is to "talk" about gaza?
yeah right.
 
Cops hand in hand with right wing violent Israeli mob?

Already last week, radical right-wing groups announced that they planned to gather on Sunday at a spot along the Haas Promenade in Jerusalem and march to the Jabal Mukkaber neighborhood. They were bent on destroying the home of the man responsible for the terrorist attack at Mercaz Harav Yeshiva, and the place and time were printed on announcements pasted up all over the city.

The police commanders' statements that they "were surprised by the level of violence" already go beyond false naivete. Even former Jerusalem police chief Mickey Levy, who usually defends his colleagues, said yesterday that "the district police had no cause to be surprised."

We are not talking about a mere handful of individuals who managed to get through police barriers, but a frenzied crowd of dozens of violent people, who in a simple outflanking move entered the neighborhood, threw stones and broke the windows of houses and cars for some time, unmolested. An organized and synchronized pogrom of this kind could never take place in a Jewish neighborhood.

The continued inactivity in the face of acts of incitement and violence by the extreme right is shared by all the law-enforcement authorities - the police, Shin Bet, State Prosecutor's Office, and the courts. The pogrom's organizers were not afraid to identify themselves and their organizations by name, and enough legal measures exist that could have prevented an event that from the outset had been designated an illegal demonstration.
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/965315.html
 
Mr.Spock said:
and the purpose of this thread is to "talk" about Gaza? yeah right.
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Perhaps. Your sarcasm is noted, but a more important purpose IMHO is to get some (probably not you) who support everything Israel does, no matter how outrageous, to understand that the world is turning against Israel.

I predict US aid to Israel will be cut not long after the next US congress takes over the current economic mess. The deteriorating economic situation will essentially necessitate some reduction in that aid.

Israel's extreme, 40+ year failed, RETALITORY HIGH KILL RATIO policy, instead of a truly defensive policy such as I have repeated suggested is INSURING A DRASTIC CUT IN AID TO ISRAEL, if not the total elimination of all aid to Israel.

I sincerely wish you could understand how much damage your POV is doing to the future of Israel.
 
Billy T said:
Perhaps. Your sarcasm is noted, but a more important purpose IMHO is to get some (probably not you) who support everything Israel does, no matter how outrageous, to understand that the world is turning against Israel.
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what a joke. all the pro palestinians here support everything the palestinians do-either that, or they are trying to justify them.
 
Mr. Spock: "all the pro palestinians here support everything the palestinians do"

That's not true. Many of us here lament and condemn Palestinian violence. I do. Yet I also believe in the necessity for equal rights and protections for all the inhabitants of the Levant.

...or they are trying to justify them."

Please try and understand why addressing the sources and cycle of violence is not condonement. Acknowledging that zionist violence has been reactionism to horrific crimes and persecution against Jewish people does not require condoning or justifying any hateful violent retaliations and oppression.
 
hypewaders said:
...or they are trying to justify them."

Please try and understand why addressing the sources and cycle of violence is not condonement. Acknowledging that zionist violence has been reactionism to horrific crimes and persecution against Jewish people does not require condoning or justifying any hateful violent retaliations and oppression.
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like this sheikh?

An israeli stabbed a sheikh in the neck in Arab East Jerusalem on Tuesday, but medical workers said his wounds were light and not life-threatening.

A PA spokesman confirmed that the attack, near the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem's Old City, was politically motivated.
According to police, the unidentified assailant stabbed the man once and fled the scene. Security forces are currently searching the area in hopes of capturing the attacker.
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/965584.html
 
Yes, just like that. The unidentified assailant of the unidentified Rabbi obviously did nothing beneficial for any good cause, including that of the basic civil rights of non-Jews under Israeli control.
 
hypewaders said:
Yes, just like that. The unidentified assailant of the unidentified Rabbi obviously did nothing beneficial for any good cause, including that of the basic civil rights of non-Jews under Israeli control.
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what if i told you this sort of attacks happen on a daily basis by arab israelis?
 
Mr.Spock: "what if i told you this sort of attacks happen on a daily basis by arab israelis?"

Then you affirm the need to break the cycle of mindless, counterproductive violence. Collective punishment of Palestinians won't ever do that, because it is the zionist half of the cycle. Either Israelis will sink into and be devoured by the lowest common moral denominator (responding to mindless violence with mindless violence) or rise above it.
 
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hypewaders said:
Mr.Spock: "what if i told you this sort of attacks happen on a daily basis by arab israelis?"

Then you affirm the need to break the cycle of mindless, counterproductive violence. Collective punishment of Palestinians won't ever do that, because it is the zionist half of the cycle. Either Israelis will sink into and be devoured by the lowest common moral denominator (responding to mindless violence with mindless violence) or rise above it.
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its not a cycle its a war.
 
No, the war model is all wrong, unless you're thinking of imaginary outcomes like a victorious 3rd Reich, which was impossible because it was so morally corrupt. You've destroyed Palestinian statehood multiple times with the war paradigm, but the Israeli war machine can't snuff out Palestinian aspirations, and violence can't ever de-escalate Palestinian reactionism and terrorism. Now the cycle of violence is noticeably eating away at the internal and international foundations of your own state, with no resolution in sight through violent escalation. Your fortress is crumbling, which means that it's high time to learn and endeavor to get along with your neighbors, by offering them equal rights and by renouncing and abandoning ethnic separatism. You're fighting an ethnic war that can't be won.
 
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