I can't. I heard from someone near WTC. (I am from NY)
News clips from 9-11-2001 **You can't debunk this**
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I can't. I heard from someone near WTC. (I am from NY)
What would be the benfit of taking out building 7? There needs to be a motive and 2 towers are enough for you usual fantasy. So go ahead and tell us. And if you say insurance i am gong to throw my pc out my window and get off the internet forever.
Ganymede
Valued Senior Member
If you insist I continue to educate you then I will
A NATION CHALLENGED: THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY; Secret C.I.A. Site in New York Was Destroyed on Sept. 11
By JAMES RISEN
Published: November 4, 2001
The Central Intelligence Agency's clandestine New York station was destroyed in the Sept. 11 attack on the World Trade Center, seriously disrupting United States intelligence operations while bringing the war on terrorism dangerously close to home for America's spy agency, government officials say.
The C.I.A.'s undercover New York station was in the 47-story building at 7 World Trade Center, one of the smaller office towers destroyed in the aftermath of the collapse of the twin towers that morning. All of the agency's employees at the site were safely evacuated soon after the hijacked planes hit the twin towers, the officials said
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0DE0D71739F937A35752C1A9679C8B63
I hoped that answered your questions. Anything else I can do for you?
Crickets
I suppose Ganymede is trying to say that since after a 3 day burn, they could possibly have found molten steel, that that means melting of steel through a deliberate process was the cause of the tower's collapse. That argument is still not supported. Stop declaring victory where there is none.
How do you think primitive people melted steel? They built a very hot wood or coal fire and stoked it for several days.
In the forests of Indonesia, sculptors that needed carving tools hung a pipe from a tree limb. They capped the bottom, and cut a small hole near the capped end. Using hardwood, they soon had a fire hot enough to work steel into carving knives.
How do you think primitive people melted steel? They built a very hot wood or coal fire and stoked it for several days.
In the forests of Indonesia, sculptors that needed carving tools hung a pipe from a tree limb. They capped the bottom, and cut a small hole near the capped end. Using hardwood, they soon had a fire hot enough to work steel into carving knives.
Ganymede,
Well guess you will believe anything then, because that is the lamest excuse for a motive i have ever seen. It took you a long time to come up with that and it is just reaching, you dont know what else to say about-
'NO MOTIVE FOR BUILDING 7' do you? LOL, you are finished, your credibility is ZERO.
Well guess you will believe anything then, because that is the lamest excuse for a motive i have ever seen. It took you a long time to come up with that and it is just reaching, you dont know what else to say about-
'NO MOTIVE FOR BUILDING 7' do you? LOL, you are finished, your credibility is ZERO.
Point being? If you cover a fire, the embers can keep burning quite a while.
That person is an environmental quality specialist, not a metallurgist or engineer. Her opinion on what is 'molten steel' is probably not too valid. Even I didn't know until recently that molten steel is black, not silver.
Gany's next series seems to revolve around the molten steel idea (see also pic), which, as you'll see below, is almost certainly flawed.
Ah. Not quite.
I'll let a chemical engineer explain far better than I could:Hot steel continues to undergo exothermic oxidation in air, which results in iron melting. (Steel is largely iron, as you may well know.) What we have is essentially a recreation of a turn-of-the-century industrial technique coupled with gypsum and other contaminants from office insulation and drywall.
So...
Checkmate!
Exactly. The oxidation process in my last post sounds quite plausible, not that I expect it would stop Gany's somewhat fixated mind. I hope he'll give it a glance - he keeps putting me on and taking me off 'ignore'. Another thing - if he intends to cite thermite as an agent, he'd have to explain why thermite would continue to burn for three days. I don't believe it does that. And the massive amounts of thermite that would be necessary...well...
Exactly.
Gany?
This thread rocks
its all bull****.
Ganymede
Valued Senior Member
The N.I.S.T stated in their report that there was no molten steel. Only molten Aluminum from the airplane. Please refer to my earlier post where I linked the youtube video of the N.I.S.T spokesman repeating over and over that there was no molten steel. However, I've linked numerous sources that condradict the N.I.S.T even one of the WTC strutural engineers. The video of the firefighters indicating that it was pools of molten steel. There's so much documented and visual evidence to support that the fact that molten steel was present it's not even worth debating.
This brings us to the next question. The samples that Dr. Jones tested showed traces of thermate in the WTC steel.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dr+jones+thermate
Watch how thermate is used to cut core colums.
http://www.ae911truth.net/ppt/ae911-126.php
Nighty Night Spidey
No, it's all lips moving
that press conference list...has been fabricated by democratic party. grrrr....anything but Bush lying...anything really....
Ganymede
Valued Senior Member
The motive has no bearing on the Scientific evidence. And the evidence supports the fact that alone fires didn't bring down WTC7.
I'm not here to debate my credibility. I'm here to debate the evidence surrounding the events of 911. WTC7 is where Guliani's emergency command center was located. Along with an under cover spook operation inside the same building. And when WTC7 went down, so did any potential evidence from those offices along with it.
You've presented nothing but insults and subjective innuendo.
This GARBAGE Conspiracy string should be in the 'Cesspool' where some Much More credible items are. It's inconceivable this board wants to have this stuff Mainstreamed in the 'Political' section.
There doesn't have to been 'Molten Steel' just weakened steel.
There was an expressway Overpass Collapse in in Oakland a few months ago caused by a Truck underneath Burning and Weakening the steel enough. .. with Much less weight on it and structurally intact.
McNeil Lehrer/PBS transcript.
Collapse of Overpass in California Becomes Lesson in Construction
An overpass near the Oakland-San Francisco Bay Bridge collapsed last month after a gasoline truck crashed into a guardrail and burst into flames. For an engineering professor, the incident has turned into a lesson for building safer structures.
JIM LEHRER: Now, lessons learned from the California freeway collapse in Oakland. NewsHour correspondent Spencer Michels has our Science Unit report.
SPENCER MICHELS, NewsHour Correspondent: At 3:40 a.m., on the last Sunday in April, a gasoline truck crashed into the guard rail on a major California freeway near the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge and burst into flames. The fire was so intense, it caused an overpass to collapse.
The damage closed two heavily traveled freeways and caused commuters to alter their routes. The collapse of the freeways was more than just a local traffic nightmare; it was an object lesson in freeway construction and destruction. And it had many similarities to the obliteration of the World Trade Center.
Abolhassan Astaneh should know. He's a professor of civil engineering at the University of California at Berkeley and was one of the leading structural engineers who studied the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9/11.
ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH, University of California, Berkeley: In both of them, basically, the fire was the reason why steel got soft and weak and collapsed. In both of them, I feel that we, as engineers, if we had looked at them and learned the lessons, we could really apply these lessons to build safe structures.
[....]
Collecting steel remnants
SPENCER MICHELS: With no time to waste, Astaneh, who has 35 years' experience investigating earthquakes and other disasters, donned a hardhat and a reflective vest. He and his graduate student managed to get into the crash site without formal permission. They took photos of the damage before demolition crews could destroy the data.
ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH: This data is so unique. What you see behind me -- this specimen -- is the most valuable specimen you can have regarding bridges subjected to fire.
SPENCER MICHELS: Using whatever it took, Astaneh confidently gathered information. He made his case to Caltrans engineers who were on site.
ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH: ... because every time there's something like this, you guys at Caltrans, the responsibility you have is to clean it up as fast as you can, to rebuild as fast as you can. That is your job. But at the same time, those steel pieces are important to the scientific community, you know, to study them and see how much temperature it was.
SPENCER MICHELS: He gained an ally by speaking Farsi to the senior resident engineer who turned out to be a fellow Iranian-American. And he persuaded the operator of an elevated work platform to take him right up next to the damaged stub of the freeway, where he could photograph and take samples of the burned steel. He says his trained eye can figure out some details, like temperatures during the fire, on the spot.
ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH: Here, it most likely reached about 1,000 to 1,500 degrees. And that is enough to collapse them, so they collapsed. So the word "melting" should not be used for girders, because there was no melting of girders. I saw melting of girders in World Trade Center.
SPENCER MICHELS: But they got soft, though, didn't they?
ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH: Yes. When steel gets to 1,000 degrees, it loses its strength...."
h*ttp://w*ww.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/jan-june07/overpass_05-10.html
This GARBAGE Conspiracy string should be in the 'Cesspool' where some Much More credible items are. It's inconceivable this board wants to have this stuff Mainstreamed in the 'Political' section.
There doesn't have to been 'Molten Steel' just weakened steel.
There was an expressway Overpass Collapse in in Oakland a few months ago caused by a Truck underneath Burning and Weakening the steel enough. .. with Much less weight on it and structurally intact.
McNeil Lehrer/PBS transcript.
Collapse of Overpass in California Becomes Lesson in Construction
An overpass near the Oakland-San Francisco Bay Bridge collapsed last month after a gasoline truck crashed into a guardrail and burst into flames. For an engineering professor, the incident has turned into a lesson for building safer structures.
JIM LEHRER: Now, lessons learned from the California freeway collapse in Oakland. NewsHour correspondent Spencer Michels has our Science Unit report.
SPENCER MICHELS, NewsHour Correspondent: At 3:40 a.m., on the last Sunday in April, a gasoline truck crashed into the guard rail on a major California freeway near the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge and burst into flames. The fire was so intense, it caused an overpass to collapse.
The damage closed two heavily traveled freeways and caused commuters to alter their routes. The collapse of the freeways was more than just a local traffic nightmare; it was an object lesson in freeway construction and destruction. And it had many similarities to the obliteration of the World Trade Center.
Abolhassan Astaneh should know. He's a professor of civil engineering at the University of California at Berkeley and was one of the leading structural engineers who studied the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9/11.
ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH, University of California, Berkeley: In both of them, basically, the fire was the reason why steel got soft and weak and collapsed. In both of them, I feel that we, as engineers, if we had looked at them and learned the lessons, we could really apply these lessons to build safe structures.
[....]
Collecting steel remnants
SPENCER MICHELS: With no time to waste, Astaneh, who has 35 years' experience investigating earthquakes and other disasters, donned a hardhat and a reflective vest. He and his graduate student managed to get into the crash site without formal permission. They took photos of the damage before demolition crews could destroy the data.
ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH: This data is so unique. What you see behind me -- this specimen -- is the most valuable specimen you can have regarding bridges subjected to fire.
SPENCER MICHELS: Using whatever it took, Astaneh confidently gathered information. He made his case to Caltrans engineers who were on site.
ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH: ... because every time there's something like this, you guys at Caltrans, the responsibility you have is to clean it up as fast as you can, to rebuild as fast as you can. That is your job. But at the same time, those steel pieces are important to the scientific community, you know, to study them and see how much temperature it was.
SPENCER MICHELS: He gained an ally by speaking Farsi to the senior resident engineer who turned out to be a fellow Iranian-American. And he persuaded the operator of an elevated work platform to take him right up next to the damaged stub of the freeway, where he could photograph and take samples of the burned steel. He says his trained eye can figure out some details, like temperatures during the fire, on the spot.
ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH: Here, it most likely reached about 1,000 to 1,500 degrees. And that is enough to collapse them, so they collapsed. So the word "melting" should not be used for girders, because there was no melting of girders. I saw melting of girders in World Trade Center.
SPENCER MICHELS: But they got soft, though, didn't they?
ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH: Yes. When steel gets to 1,000 degrees, it loses its strength...."
h*ttp://w*ww.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/jan-june07/overpass_05-10.html
This GARBAGE Conspiracy string should be in the 'Cesspool' where some Much More credible items are. It's inconceivable this board wants to have this stuff Mainstreamed in the 'Political' section.
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Ganymede
Valued Senior Member
With only 18 total post, you're obviously someones alt. I'm sure I've addressed your questions already. On ignore you go.
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M*W: The thing that seemed the most suspect to me was the coverage of Bush while he was at that elementary school, and his aide whispered in his ear about the towers. The look on Bush's face when he... uh... got the news, looked as if he was told "mission accomplished." Of all places Bush could have been that moment was at a children's school. Why couldn't he have been in the Oval Office? I believe it was all set-up by the PTB.
M*W: The thing that seemed the most suspect to me was the coverage of Bush while he was at that elementary school, and his aide whispered in his ear about the towers. The look on Bush's face when he... uh... got the news, looked as if he was told "mission accomplished." Of all places Bush could have been that moment was at a children's school. Why couldn't he have been in the Oval Office? I believe it was all set-up by the PTB.
abu_afak how much more ignorant and disrespectful can you be?
You think only kooks and crazies see the bullshit that's going on with the whole 9/11 scene?
Wrong.
The credentials of those who question the official report of 9/11 are as intelligent and respected as it gets.
Again, there are Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials, Engineers and Architects, Demolitions experts, Pilots and Aviation Professionals, Professors, Survivors and Family Members, and even Entertainment and Media Professionals who all want an independent investigation.
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
You think only kooks and crazies see the bullshit that's going on with the whole 9/11 scene?
Wrong.
The credentials of those who question the official report of 9/11 are as intelligent and respected as it gets.
Again, there are Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials, Engineers and Architects, Demolitions experts, Pilots and Aviation Professionals, Professors, Survivors and Family Members, and even Entertainment and Media Professionals who all want an independent investigation.
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/