New bin Ladin tape offers 'truce'

You're probably not asking me, because if you had read my posts you would know that he's been in Pervert Paradise with 70 virile lads for more than two years. He's even starting to get the blues, thinking he's been laddin' too long. They says he's gonna make another tape with Jimi Hendrix, but I don't think it's possible.
 
Michael said:
Anyway, when asked why? This university professor (an Indonesian Muslim) who teaches sociology said that – “for the most part Indonesians see themselves first as Indonesians and second as Muslims which is in contrast to Middle Eastern Muslims who define themselves as “Muslims” above anything else”.
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This ''professor'' does not speak on behlaf of the Indonesians, does he ??

:rolleyes:
 
hmm "truce" means nothing since the Q'arhan specificly says you could break it with any non-muslim and kill them with a dagger through their back so this is absolutely worthless offer. Not even to mention its all a political move to divide people in the struggle against terrorising faction like the Al'qaida.
 
"This ''professor'' does not speak on behlaf of the Indonesians, does he ??"

Oh but you do? *LOL*

PM, Speaker for all the muslims of the land.....
 
Proud_Muslim said:
This ''professor'' does not speak on behlaf of the Indonesians, does he ??
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No, but he does teach sociology. Anyway, it makes sense really. I actually think he was wrong on the notion that Middle Easterners define themselves as “Muslim” first. In actuality, it seems that people mostly define themselves as “national identity / ethnic-Language group” first. If that were not the case then the ME would be “United” as most people are Islamic. And it isn’t even close to United. Actually the opposite reallly. Kurds are “Kurds” and Iranians are “Iranian” and Turks “Turks” and Arabs are "Ababic" .. etc… Islam may be the predominant religion but identity is national for the most part – just like most nations anywhere.

Gotta run - have a good weekend!
 
"In actuality, it seems that people mostly define themselves as “national identity / ethnic-Language group” first. If that were not the case then the ME would be “United” as most people are Islamic. And it isn’t even close to United. Actually the opposite reallly. "


It's funny that the most united countries are the most ethnically diverse.
 
Paula said:
It's funny that the most united countries are the most ethnically diverse.
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I can't think of an ethnically diverse country that is "United"? Ethnicity of course being common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background. Which of course is quite different than, say, racial identity alone (whether race actually exits or doesn’t). America and England are both majority “English”. English being the major language and cultural identity in both countries. Japan and Korea are respectively "United" with tight nit populace. Australia and New Zealand are United and English. Compare that with India and Pakistan, which some could argue were united until recently and now are not. Kind of reminds me of the mid 90’s when Quebec wanted to secede from Canada. As we could expect Quebec is somewhat culturally distinct (French) from the rest of English Canada. The same can be said of California, which used to be part of Mexico, evident today by the naturally large Spanish speaking population – occasionally has underground movements with dreams of seceding from the Union.
 
i think ethnicly diverse is that no populous is in direct majority Bosnia-Herzegovina comes to mind. Most of the countries have a large majority(50%+ and some or none minorities mixed in.)
 
Proud Muslim,

Since when has any piece of land belonged to any religion? Even with your objection, I still would like to remind you that every piece of land in this earth belongs to a country! Are you saying that wherever muslims live, that land belongs to muslims? Not any other religion in this world has ever had that privilege so what gives muslims the right to claim any land while no other religion can?

I hope you are not living in the United States because if you, a muslim, are living here, the United States is supposed to belong to the muslims religion. If you are living in the United States, will you mind move out and live somewhere else so the United States ownership can be given back to Americans only?

About the Bin Laden tape, should the United States withdraw all troops from every place on earth where muslims live then nicely ask Bin Laden to please amend the truce so that the United States is included? By the way, there are muslims living in the United States, so not only the troops but also all non-muslim Americans must move to the Moon!!!
 
When people at the ends of the earth, Japan, were killed by their hundreds of thousands, young and old, it was not considered a war crime, it is something that has justification. Millions of children in Iraq, is something that has justification. But when they lose dozens of people in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam [capitals of Kenya and Tanzania, where US embassies were bombed in 1998], Iraq was struck and Afghanistan was struck. Hypocrisy stood in force behind the head of infidels worldwide, behind the cowards of this age, America and those who are with it.
 
The Islamic nation must also know that the US version of terrorism is a kind of deception. Is it logical for the United States and its allies to carry out this repression, persecution, plundering, and bloodletting over these long years without this being called terrorism, while when the victim tries to seek justice, he is described as terrorist?
 
hungvu said:
Proud Muslim,

Since when has any piece of land belonged to any religion? Even with your objection, I still would like to remind you that every piece of land in this earth belongs to a country! Are you saying that wherever muslims live, that land belongs to muslims? Not any other religion in this world has ever had that privilege so what gives muslims the right to claim any land while no other religion can?

I hope you are not living in the United States because if you, a muslim, are living here, the United States is supposed to belong to the muslims religion. If you are living in the United States, will you mind move out and live somewhere else so the United States ownership can be given back to Americans only?

About the Bin Laden tape, should the United States withdraw all troops from every place on earth where muslims live then nicely ask Bin Laden to please amend the truce so that the United States is included? By the way, there are muslims living in the United States, so not only the troops but also all non-muslim Americans must move to the Moon!!!
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Land doesn't own to religion. yes i agree. but ask yourself this? would America allow foriegn countries to have huge milatry bases and thousadns of soldiers who are even stronger then the US to be allowed to walk freely on US solil? would it allow inspectors to study all of its weapons? the answer is obvious. NO IT WOULDN'T allow countries to do this and it would even wage war on those countries.

then why should Saudia have to have US milatry bases, why should Egypt, why should Kuwait? why should we have inspectors either?

so BINLADEN did what America would do if it was occupied by foriegn bases, he waged war with US. he said that the US lands will not be safe until the Americans and foregn troops get out. so he said your country will be a terrorst targert until you get out of the Arab lands. simple.
 
cause they are weaker and dependant on the good graces of US... very simple answer...

Ben ladin wages war a Nation paid a price or will pay a price... Now imagine if the movement of anti-teror completely merges with anti-islam try to amplify the ramifications upon not a Nation anymore but upon a region or a people for example : arabs... 1 Man terrorizes a Country and in return all the people of his Race will be thrown into oblivion if not anihilation in due course when everyone else gets fed up with this terrorism bs...

A couple of mushroom clouds later you will realize who is ultimately paying the price and it ain Bin Laden and it ain US its the Islamic world because its loosing credibility, openess, understanding, belivability of purpose by others and lots of other things which it might not regain for a few hundred years. Which it might not be able to afford...

(p.s. when chechens get paid by arabs for having performed terorist acts in moscow or other russian cities. where public housing is blown up. In response Russia anihilates all of the chechens... And I do mean all of them slowly but surely it is just because with your reasoning only you are justified when you wage war others are never are because they are "infidels"... When you feel a sword shoved through you in retaliation do not say it was not caused by you hitting the other person first in provaction for that is exactly what brought it upon you.)
 
Land doesn't own to religion. yes i agree. but ask yourself this? would America allow foriegn countries to have huge milatry bases and thousadns of soldiers who are even stronger then the US to be allowed to walk freely on US solil? would it allow inspectors to study all of its weapons? the answer is obvious. NO IT WOULDN'T allow countries to do this and it would even wage war on those countries.

then why should Saudia have to have US milatry bases, why should Egypt, why should Kuwait? why should we have inspectors either?
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If America was under a regime like Saddam, and these foreign countries also will provide a democracy for America and later on let Americans rule themselves, then yes, America should allow these foreign countries to do whatever they need to do in order to make America a better place for most of its citizens to live. There is not anything wrong with allowing inspectors to study weapons because it only makes me feel safer. For the questions about the other countries, my answer is still yes for the same reasons.

By the way, without selling oil to the U.S. and other western countries, can you even imagine what they survive on? They should thank the U.S. and other western countries for buying their oil so that they have money to buy food, water, etc...Keep in mind that they need money from the U.S and other western coutries to have a much better life but it is not the other way around because without their oil, U.S and western countries already prospered before the usefulness of oil was even discovered. I admit that life in U.S. and other western countries have also improved because of the discovery of oil. Consequently, this is just a fair trade where both sides benefit from. Nobody is stealing any oil from any of these countries, all of these oil are paid for.

so BIN LADEN...
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BIN LADEN? Enough said.
 
talking in general,
for each action there is a reaction
but the order in here is very very important
for example,
the September 11th tragedy,
is it an action or a reaction?
the American government says it's an action!!!!!
therefore, the war against Afghanistan and Iraq are reactions
but the order is not like so for most of the middle Easterns
they say,
the September 11th is a reaction for the American policy in the middle East
and the war vs. Afghanistan and Iraq are actions
no matter who is right and who is wrong?
I'm pretty sure that something similar to the September 11th event is in the way
so who ever can prevent another massive bloody circle of violence, shedding and spilling lives, he better make a move
and make it now before it is too late

Yazan
 
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hungvu said:
By the way, without selling oil to the U.S. and other western countries, can you even imagine what they survive on? They should thank the U.S. and other western countries for buying their oil so that they have money to buy food, water, etc...Keep in mind that they need money from the U.S and other western coutries to have a much better life but it is not the other way around because without their oil, U.S and western countries already prospered before the usefulness of oil was even discovered. I admit that life in U.S. and other western countries have also improved because of the discovery of oil. Consequently, this is just a fair trade where both sides benefit from. Nobody is stealing any oil from any of these countries, all of these oil are paid for.
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is that why the western contries completly fucked up in 1973 when Arab countires suddenly quadroupled oil prices for the west becasue of the war in Israel. all power in the European countires stopped. the situation was so desperate that America even had to capture oil fields. to prevent such an act from ever happening again, America has filled Muslim, oil rich lands with American Milatry Bases, also in Holland there is a man made reserve of oil that can supply the entire world with oil for 9 months. as it is basically US controlled, if another situation like this happens then the US will take the man made reserves in Holland.

hungvu said:
Keep in mind that they need money from the U.S and other western coutries to have a much better life but it is not the other way around because without their oil, U.S and western countries already prospered before the usefulness of oil was even discovered.
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that is becasue oil wasn't needed then but now it is vital (as displayed in 1973) and also remeber, as the US went on perfectly fine without oil in the past, so did the Muslim world. and since you're going that far in the past anyway, US was only a super power since 50 years ago and are you forgetting the Muslim empires that ruled over the world?
 
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