What is against our nature?
mechanicalism----when the mind identifies with its logical function to te sole exclusion of othe deeper forms of sensual experiencespuriousmonkey said:What is against our nature?
Anything which doesn't come spontaneously to us.spuriousmonkey said:What is against our nature?
duendy said:this goes againt our nature because beliving in this ideology, we become more like mchines than natural organisms in relation with organic environment
Buddha1 said:Anything which doesn't come spontaneously to us.
For which we have to be 'trained' and pressurised and prodded.
I don't think so. Especially the first sentence.spuriousmonkey said:It's all very vague and open to whatever interpretation.
spuriousmonkey said:allright, I will test if it is obvious:
Anyting that comes spontaneously to us:
teaching to kill is normal?
teaching to rape is normal?
teaching to deceive is normal?
teaching to lie is normal?
Buddha1 said:a. We're not talking about normal or abnormal here. We're talking about natural and unnatural.
b. We humans have been so removed from our nature, that we don't always know what's spontaneous for us. To get to know what comes naturally to us, we will have to work through a maze of social influences, training and biases ingrained in us since childhood.
Especially in the case of men, we are often unable to know what is 'natural' to us. Our emotions/ feelings are our connection with our nature. They tell us how we really feel. And men have lost the power to feel. That's part of social masculinity.
For wimps it could be worshipping pussies.spuriousmonkey said:so natural is to fuck other men in the ass I'll bet.
Can nurture create something in humans that nature has not provided for?
Can anyone show me how nurture can actually create something that was not there? And are there any instances when nurture creates something which nature did not provide for and does not harm the nature individual?
spuriousmonkey said:What is against our nature?
Buddha1 said:...
...b. We humans have been so removed from our nature, that we don't always know what's spontaneous for us. To get to know what comes naturally to us, we will have to work through a maze of social influences, training and biases ingrained in us since childhood.
Especially in the case of men, we are often unable to know what is 'natural' to us. Our emotions/ feelings are our connection with our nature. They tell us how we really feel. And men have lost the power to feel. That's part of social masculinity.
pain isn't going against your nature....pain informs you. imagine if you walked about bumping into thingsand didn't have pain so as to not do so. you'd be coverd in cuts, bruises, and worse
emotional pain is't going against your nature. really, emotionalpain istelling us that things aren't right......what IS unnatural when then ths mechanilized culture tells you your emotional pain is a biological illness, and is diseased nd wrong and must be 'medicated' away
Buddha1 said:Notwithstanding what has been said so far, there is a further complexity to the issue. When the environment of an organism is changed gradually (in the negative direction) for a long enough period --- through its numerous generations, the biology of the organism may itself undergo change, in order to cope with the hostile situation. This is called 'artificial selection'. And most definitely this evolution has negative side effects.
Of course. Nature has no language. We percieve them as negative and positive and term them as such.spuriousmonkey said:Nature doesn't make statements of changes being negative or positive. That's just us.
Do you have any examples of artificial selection which does not have side effects.spuriousmonkey said:but I think we maybe should reserve the term artificial selection for desired changes in species.
Why would you do that?spuriousmonkey said:Your elephant example I would classify as natural selection.
If you don't want to share what you've read, I'll have to reamin clueless.spuriousmonkey said:The classic example of artificial selection for me is pigeons. If you don't know what the hell I am talking about you haven't read a certain book that changed the way we think about the world.