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My reply is as Dr. Cello's. Do you not realize that theodicy is a -field- of theories, with many different ones?
My reply is as Dr. Cello's. Do you not realize that theodicy is a -field- of theories, with many different ones?
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all theories are theories of men. including the theory that man-made theories are corrupt and not worth adhering to.
but let's be logical. here is the most commonly phrased form of the problem of evil:
1. natural and human evils exist.
2. god is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being
3. natural and human evil are incompatible with the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being.
4. therefore, god does not exist.
you, being a religious type (however unintelligent), undoubtedly disagree with this proof. why? reconciling the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being with the existence of evil, is called theodicy.
but let's be logical. here is the most commonly phrased form of the problem of evil:
1. natural and human evils exist.
2. god is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being
3. natural and human evil are incompatible with the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being.
4. therefore, god does not exist.
you, being a religious type (however unintelligent), undoubtedly disagree with this proof. why? reconciling the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being with the existence of evil, is called theodicy.
Thanks for the example of pure excrement.
Psalm 94
10 He who instructs the nations, shall He not correct,
He who teaches man knowledge?
11 The LORD knows the thoughts of man,
That they are futile.
12 Blessed is the man whom You instruct, O LORD,
And teach out of Your law,
You have got no chance with human logic. If you ever become wise enough to understand that then you will be blessed.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
congratulations! you have just performed a theodicy. one of the worst ever, but a theodicy nonetheless.
EDIT: and before i forget, i should point out that the bible is not persuasive in the least. please give legitimate reasons for me to believe that man's logic is flawed. kthxbye
EDIT: and before i forget, i should point out that the bible is not persuasive in the least. please give legitimate reasons for me to believe that man's logic is flawed. kthxbye
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If human reason is excrement, and God created man in his image, are you not blasphemying against him? In fact, you may well be saying -God's- reasoning is excrement, as we were made to be as he.
Moreover, do you assert that God is good?
If human reason is excrement, and God created man in his image, are you not blasphemying against him? In fact, you may well be saying -God's- reasoning is excrement, as we were made to be as he.
Moreover, do you assert that God is good?
Prince_James said:
No i am agreeing with God who cast man out of the garden of eden and provided His Son to cover our faultiness
That line of thinking is the same line of thinking that will see satan in torment in the lake of fire for ever and ever. satan made the same claim. That he was the equal of God. So you join in that same thinking, that you where made as God. That James is blasphemy of the highest order, if you believe that then you believe in the deception of satan in the garden.
I assert that God is Just and the Justifier of those that believe Him. He is perfect.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
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i've looked at history. history has produced wonderful things, like Plato, Aristotle, Socrates. it has produced beautiful things, great philosophers and intellects. and thanks to these and others, it has become possible to look at the world and see that it works in a reliable fashion, and that if we study it we can learn more things about it. it has also become possible to test the validity of theories based on what we already know. we have been able to refine mathematics, we have discovered more and more about how the universe works. advances have been made in medical science, in communications, in transit technology--all of this because of logic.
indeed, you would not be able to sit here on an anonymous internet forum and make a complete ass out of yourself were it not for the fact that logic is indeed something that man can accomplish on his own, and learn from, and understand. unfortunately, it requires a mind and the willingness to use it, and you have neither. you are woefully handicapped in this beautifully logical world of ours.
indeed, you would not be able to sit here on an anonymous internet forum and make a complete ass out of yourself were it not for the fact that logic is indeed something that man can accomplish on his own, and learn from, and understand. unfortunately, it requires a mind and the willingness to use it, and you have neither. you are woefully handicapped in this beautifully logical world of ours.
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Faultyness in a creation of God.
So you deny we were made in God's image?
In what manner is he "just"?
Needless to say, you may once again take Dr. Cello's response as my own, too. I agree fully with his words.
Faultyness in a creation of God.
So you deny we were made in God's image?
In what manner is he "just"?
Needless to say, you may once again take Dr. Cello's response as my own, too. I agree fully with his words.
Prince_James said:
James James James your statement is useless and a statement without any backing is pathetic.
Man decided to embrace satans trap because men suffered from the same pride that satan has.
James read my statement above.
He helps the meek but resists the proud
Oh there are so many things Well at least Dr Cello can put a few thoughts together in points and right a paragraph of logic trying to back it up. He is a prideful, dismissive and self centered but at least he is an articulate snob.
He is not in the peanut gallery saying yeah what he said, yeah what he said.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
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i'm not seeing any destruction. funny, that.
but here's the really great thing. faulty logic can be refuted, and if you're guided by mystical religious hoodoo then you should be able to refute my logic with more than a red herring argument laced with argumentum ad hominem (logic is invalid because the world is being destroyed? it does not follow. and whether or not i am deluded is irrelevant. if i am, you should have something valid to say to demonstrate this.)
amazing how, even guided by the holy spirit, you still can do nothing more than insult and produce irrelevant conclusions when faced with solid facts and evidence.
for instance: 'faultiness in a creation of God.' Satan is also a creation of God, and you clearly are treating pride as a fault. God created something proud. he then proceeded to create something else which was capable of falling to that pride. is this not a fault? an all-powerful being has the ability to create something which will not rebel against its creator, and rebelling against its creator is quite clearly a flaw. again: please provide logic to back your statements.
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Pride engrained in them by God. Or do you doubt that God was the creator of their pride?
And what makes this just?
Oooh. Bitey. What happened to turning the other cheek?
Pride engrained in them by God. Or do you doubt that God was the creator of their pride?
And what makes this just?
Oooh. Bitey. What happened to turning the other cheek?
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old Rome fell because of the corrupting influence of Christians. Constantine the Great set about a series of events which ultimately culminated in the downfall of the Roman Empire. however, you're kidding yourself if you think America, or the world at large, is similar to Rome in any real, practical way.