Muslim women

Look who is talking about something ' original ' !! PATHETIC !!

Anyway, here is something VERY ORIGINAL:

The Bible includes countless tales of raw, forbidden sex. We've gathered some of the best bible sex stories here, filling in what you didn't learn in Sunday school.

http://www.biblesexstories.com/

:cool:
 
CAW CAW CAW PM wanna cracker.

Excuse me PM I am trying to have a real discussion with someone who has a brain

And what is the obsession with bible sex does this fill the porno void for muslims?
 
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path said:
Other muslims, no non-muslim can make that call can they

Why do you mean by other muslims? What makes those muslims muslims and again WHO decides whether they are muslim or not?

Judging someone's religious affiliation is a circular reasoning....do you know what that means? It means that people can't label or judge others, because religion doesn't belong to a set group of people...unless they are playing god... Only god can judge, because true religion belongs to god.
 
OK doctrinally both the sunni and shia sects of islam have lists over what makes a muslim kufr or shirk. Do you consider yourself to be part of one of these sects or is your islam a personal belief?
 
Flores said:
What intolerances are you talking about?

Do you call chemistry intolerant because Hydrogen have an atomic weight of one while carbon have an atomic weight of 14. Do you call nature intolerant because heavy things sink and light thing stay afloat? Do you call physics intolerant because heavy things move slow while lighter things can move fast?

Humans are the same exact thing. They are components of this universe and their soul or conscious have a place in this universe. The weight of the soul will determine where the soul will end up in.
Havent you been reading the quran and sunnahs as posted above? Here let me refresh you with the quran's intolerance for women...


  • "Men are the managers of the affairs of women
    for that God has preferred in bounty
    One of them over another .....
    Righteous women are therefore obedient .....
    And those you fear may be rebellious
    admonish; banish them to their coaches
    and beat them." (Women IV: 35)


    "Women have such honourable rights as obligations
    but their men have a degree above them."
    (The Cow: 225)


    "Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females" (004.011)


    "and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her." (002.282)

I think your mention of scientific principles concerns verse 2:225. Then I find your ignorance severely lacking. Are men truly biologically superior to women? In what way?

Only in one way. BRUTE STRENGTH.

On the other hand women have the following advantages over men:

* Emotional stability
* Higher tolerance for pain
* Social superiority
* Resistance to G force (making them superior fighter jet pilots)
* Sophisticated reproductive system.

The quran is lying to you, Flores. Open your mind and free theyself!!! :(
 
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DoctorNO said:
The reason I hate Islam so much is because Islam commands muslims to impose those stupid ideas on our part of the world. Otherwise who cares, right?

You don't hate Islam (Submission to god)...You hate muslims who are not REALLY submitting to god, but are acting like a god and trying to make other people submit to them? I think you hate these people, and for a very good reason. I hate them too.
 
Flores the only muslims I hate are the terrorists and the imams who immigrated or fled to our lands and still issues death fatwas, tries to manipulate our laws to become islamic, praises terrorists, preaches hate against the very people sheltering them.

Thats it. Otherwise, who cares. 9/11 woke me up.
 
DoctorNO said:
Flores the only muslims I hate are the terrorists and the imams who immigrated or fled to our lands and still issues death fatwas, tries to manipulate our laws to become islamic, praises terrorists, preaches hate against the very people sheltering them.

Thats it. Otherwise, who cares. 9/11 woke me up.


You have all the right to hate them...I hate them too....But don't channel all your hate toward them, because there is a lot of other injustices in this world that need to be addressed. Don't make them scape goats for all the world's problems...let's be objective, even when we hate.
 
path said:
OK doctrinally both the sunni and shia sects of islam have lists over what makes a muslim kufr or shirk. Do you consider yourself to be part of one of these sects or is your islam a personal belief?

To me, religion is not an exclusive doctrine. It's a personal belief.
This is what god have used to describe those who form their own doctrines.

[2.8] And there are some people who say: We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not at all believers.
[2.9] They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive.
[2.10] There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lied.
[2.11] And when it is said to them, Do not make mischief in the land, they say: We are but peace-makers.
[2.12] Now surely they themselves are the mischief makers, but they do not perceive.
[2.13] And when it is said to them: Believe as the people believe they say: Shall we believe as the fools believe? Now surely they themselves are the fools, but they do not know.
[2.14] And when they meet those who believe, they say: We believe; and when they are alone with their Shaitans, they say: Surely we are with you, we were only mocking.
[2.15] Allah shall pay them back their mockery, and He leaves them alone in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on.
[2.16] These are they who buy error for the right direction, so their bargain shall bring no gain, nor are they the followers of the right direction.
[2.17] Their parable is like the parable of one who kindled a fire but when it had illumined all around him, Allah took away their light, and left them in utter darkness-- they do not see.
[2.18] Deaf, dumb (and) blind, so they will not turn back.


Those groups love to use the Suras above in reverse to instill fear in others to joing their cults, but little do they realize that they are the object of criticism in this Sura. This Sura is directed to those that "SAY" or pronounce that they are believers or muslims....They think that they are pure and better guided than the rest of the world, they don't really humble themselves infront of god and they don't really submit.
 
Thanks for the reply I gotta go socialize now :D will continue later.
 
DoctorNO said:
Havent you been reading the quran and sunnahs as posted above? Here let me refresh you with the quran's intolerance for women...

"Women have such honourable rights as obligations
but their men have a degree above them."
(The Cow: 225)

This degree is dealing with EARINING MONEY to feed the family !

"Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females" (004.011)

It is quite obvious that Islam by far honors women in inheritance more than the Bible does. The Bible doesn't even regard the women's existence in inheritance if a son is present. The son takes all in the Bible.

In Islam, on the other hand, the daughter gets half of what the son gets, because under the law of "Nafaqa", the son is responsible to support his (1) Wife and Kids; (2) Old Parents; (3) Widowed Sisters. In Islam, the wife doesn't have to provide any financial support to her family. Only the man does. So, it is very fair for the man to get equivalent to two women of inheritance in Islam.

Wouldn't you agree with me that if it is the man's responsibility to support his parents (when they get old), wife, kids, and widow sisters, then it makes perfect sense for the man to get more money than the woman in inheritance?

"and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her." (002.282)
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Are two women equal to one man in Islam?

There is a widely prevailing misconception by the anti-Islamics regarding this issue. They claim that since Allah Almighty ordered courts in Islam to bring either two reliable females witness or one reliable male witness, then therefore, Islam (1) discriminates between men and women; and (2) does not consider men and women to be equal.

Let us look at Noble Verse 2:282 "O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing; let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties: let not the scribe refuse to write: as God Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord God, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her. The witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (For evidence). Disdain not to reduce to writing (your contract) for a future period, whether it be small or big: it is juster in the sight of God, More suitable as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves but if it be a transaction which ye carry out on the spot among yourselves, there is no blame on you if ye reduce it not to writing. But take witness whenever ye make a commercial contract; and let neither scribe nor witness suffer harm. If ye do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So fear God; For it is Good that teaches you. And God is well acquainted with all things. If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, let the trustee (faithfully) discharge his trust, and let him Fear his Lord conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it, - his heart is tainted with sin. And God knoweth all that ye do."

Why did Allah Almighty order such law?

The Noble Verse above is quite clear about providing either one reliable man or 2 reliable women (in substitution to him) in any court. But why did Allah Almighty order such a law? What is the wisdom behind it?

The Noble Verse above does not in anyway talk about women's intelligence or memory capabilities or brains. It is simply talking about the women's complete integrity. Women are by far more emotional than men. This by itself will effect the woman's ACCURACY in her witness if she is asked to explain what happened in a certain event.

Let us look at few differences between men and women to understand better:

1- Women have a lot more patience and emotions in them than men. This is one of the blessings that Allah Almighty had created in women to enable them to raise children. Men do not have enough patience in them, nor enough loving emotions in them to raise children.

2- Women can easily get frightened. Man can't. It takes a lot to frighten a normal average man.

Let us look at the following Saying from Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: "The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Witnesses, Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826)"

Notice very carefully here that Prophet Muhammad said "woman's mind" and not "woman's brain". No where in any Islamic doctrine do we see any ridiculous uneducated and unscientific claim against women or anyone. The women's brains and ability to think is not what is being criticized here. It is as I said above their complete integrity. Notice how Allah Almighty said in the Noble Verse "...it is juster in the sight of God, More suitable as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves...(The Noble Quran, 2:282)" So it is the perfect justice and the 100% complete accuracy that Allah Almighty is concerned about here.

In the section below you will see a situation where Allah Almighty commands for us to bring 4 reliable men or else the case is dismissed:

If it takes two women, here it takes four men for a witness!

It is obvious from Noble Verse 2:282 and the Saying of our beloved Prophet above that Islam is extremely picky when it comes to justice. The slightest of doubts are not acceptable. For instance, a single man's witness is not sufficient enough to prove that an adulteress did indeed commit adultery. There has to be present 4 reliable (not just any witnesses) in order for the woman to be convicted:

"And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 24:4)"

It is not so much that one man or two or even three men all together don't have the mental capability to capture a simple event of adultery done by a woman. It is the uncompromised 100% accuracy and perfection in the conviction that Islam is really picky about. What might appear as an adultery to one man, might not appear as such to another. That is why Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran ordered the Muslims to produce 4 reliable witnesses to convict the woman, or else the case is dismissed and those who made any allegations would get flogged for falsely charging a chaste woman.

Further Answer from sister Nicole Woods, a young American sister who recently embraced Islam; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her, regarding Noble Verse 2:282 above: "Because women have always been considered inferior and not capable of good testimonies, maybe Allah was concerned that the courts would doubt their integrity. By having two witnesses instead of one, He has assured that we will always be listened to and believed. Maybe one woman can be refuted, but not two!! :) In fact, the more witnesses, the better, but for the sake of convenience, Allah has assured us that two is enough. In a world where we are the losers because of our gender, Islam always provides a way to force others to see us as equals. Sabhunallah [Good Lord]."

The Scientific Evidence:

Are two women equal to one man in Islam?

[Ref Noble Qur'aan 2:282]

"O you who believe! When you contract a debt for a fixed period, write it down. Let a scribe write it down in justice between you. Let not the scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so let him write. Let him (the debtor) who incurs the liability dictate, and he must fear Allah, his Lord, and diminish not anything of what he owes. But if the debtor is of poor understanding, or weak, or is unable himself to dictate, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her. And the witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (for evidence). You should not become weary to write it (your contract), whether it be small or big, for its fixed term, that is more just with Allah; more solid as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves, save when it is a present trade which you carry out on the spot among yourselves, then there is no sin on you if you do not write it down. But take witnesses whenever you make a commercial contract. Let neither scribe nor witness suffer any harm, but if you do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So be afraid of Allah; and Allah teaches you. And Allah is the All-Knower of each and everything."

This particular verse has frequently been used by Christian missionary and other anti-Islaam elements as an unusual and absurd claim that has nothing to do with the issue being raised in a twisted and perverted fashion. First and foremost this verse is addressing an issue in conjunction of least ideal situation which may or may not arise. But if it does, than let us explore why?

Men and women have their gender, biological, physical, and emotional differences [to name few], which results in different medical, mental, health, and psychological conditions. Those in denial or ignorant will dispute this fact without realizing that Noble Qur'aan 1,421 years ago actually protected women forever with this very verse. Many reasons which effects women's health have been discovered by modern science in recent age and will continue to be explored in future. Let us see some of those facts which impairs a woman's everyday life not to mention concentration..

Premenstrual Syndrome

(Late Luteal Phase Dysphoric Disorder)
Premenstrual Syndrome (Late Luteal Phase Dysphoric Disorder) is a concept of which the validity has been questioned for decades. While based on clinical reality, with at least 60% of all women suffering from it, PMS has served as a tool for diminishing women, for enforcing stereotypes about their unpredictable and uncontrollable character, and for ridiculing their assertive behavior. The notion of PMS got so woven into the texture of our psycho-social fabric that many women self-diagnose themselves (or let their partners do so) without really having the disorder; while others who actually do need help go untreated because they (or their doctors) simply ""don't believe" in PMS. Stereotypes are rich soil for self-fulfilling prophecy. The best way to conquer these stereotypes is through education.

Osteoporosis

Menopause is a distinct phase of a woman's life with its own special health needs and issues. Without a doubt, the single most important concern of the post menopausal women remains osteoporosis, or thinning and brittle bones.

· Traumas

· Eating Disorders

· Health Disorders

Endometriosis

It is a painful disease that may afflict 10 percent of women of child-bearing age. Endometriosis can go undetected and untreated by the medical community and wreak havoc on the sufferer's life. Many women who suffer from endometriosis eventually undergo unnecessary hysterectomies.

Generalized Anxiety Disorder

Generalized anxiety disorder (GAD) is one of the most frequent anxiety disorders with current prevalence of 1.6% and lifetime prevalence 5.1% (Wittchen, Zhao, Kessler, & Eaton, 1994). It is a chronic condition which, despite some fluctuations, is relatively stable with continuous symptom pattern (Rickels & Schweizer, 1990; Brown, Barlow & Liebowitz, 1994). It's a state of continuous apprehension and anticipation of something horrible, characterized by excessive anxiety and unrealistic worry. It often affects social and occupational functioning and might have disruptive influence on the patients' families. The impact on the patients' perception of his/her emotional and physical well-being is great.

Panic disorder and Agoraphobia

Did you know that almost 14 % of general population suffers from one of the anxiety disorders? And did you know that the majority are women? One of the most common anxiety disorders is panic disorder with or without agoraphobia (even more common are simple phobias, such as fear of heights, darkness, animals etc.). The psychological, social and economical consequences of this disorders are enormous. Many kinds of effective treatments exist. Still, a great number of panic and agoraphobic patients struggle alone, afraid of confiding in their physicians because of the stigma attached to mental problems. Some physicians fail to recognize the symptoms. If you suffer from hyperventilation, palpitations, tingling sensations, dizziness or chest pain that suddenly come and suddenly disappear, you might be suffering from panic disorder. Wait no longer. There is help.

Relationship Issues
a.. Arguing
b.. Co-dependency
c.. Making Relationships Work
d.. Negative Thinking
e.. Sleep Hygiene

For some, falling asleep is as simple as laying back into a soft pillow. But for others, it is a frustrating process of tossing, turning and glancing nervously at the advancing clock. Whether you awake refreshed and ready to face the day or red-eyed and sluggish depends on your sleep hygiene. Sleep hygiene is your personal collection of habits that determine the quality of your sleep.

For further information check this link of American medical Association [Women's Health Issues] http://www.ama-assn.org/special/womh/womh.htm

American Medical Association http://www.ama-assn.org/

American Psychological Association [Women's Health] http://helping.apa.org/

American Psychological Association http://www.apa.org/

There are literally hundreds of mental, psychological, medical and emotional conditions that modern science has discovered that a women suffers from her birth till she dies, let alone PMS or Child birth, to death in family, or sickness or death of child of close kin. To avoid lengthy response I have provided the links above. Where one can find expert opinions and women's health info.

LET US GET LEGAL HERE:

One must note that I have used red font above in quote of verse 2:282 to distinguish and emphasize "such as you agree for witnesses" ...This part or portion of the verse also provides the liberty to parties to agree for witnesses. Which is followed by a "IF" that actually gives woman more power and guarantee for following reasons.

1. Outdoors and judiciary has historically been always men's dominated world and it still is.

2. Even in so-called free world and so-called civilized societies of Europe and USA have a glass ceiling [invisible] for women which often prevents women to advance and exercise her rights. Still women are overwhelmingly outnumbered by men in so-called democratic judicial systems [to represent or be represented] of Europe and USA let alone other parts of world.

3. Keeping the point 1 & 2 in mind verse 2:282 provides women strength by virtue of number=power, that means when a women is out numbered by men in judiciary of legal proceeding she has someone from her own gender which can be a support to her by understanding her special needs, her weaknesses, and her strengths "IF" she faces such situation.

4. Beside that this verse does not prevent a women to have a MEHRUM [father, brother, husband, or son] to be on her side. The key theme here is protection of women's right to be a witness. Does bible gives it to women? I don't think so. Please keep this fact in mind that Noble Qur'aan does say that IF one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her. So "IF" is the key word not a mandate. Which proves that Qur'aan is catering the women whereas bible uses her for sex, lies and nudity.

Last but not least this particular verse [2:282] provides more protection to Muslim women which OT and NT does not at all. Christians' profound ignorance to Islaam and Noble Qur'aan is amazing. This is about time they must augment their studies with the revealed and inspired message that is to be found in the Final Revelation of God *The Noble Qur'aan*. Which will enable Christians to compare both religions and books with an open mind. Christians must get out of their inherited tunnel vision that they have so firmly established for centuries.

Such bizarre claims are nothing but a form of yellow journalism and stereotype which can make a missionary/bible thumper Christian feel better. That if bible does not make sense so does Qur'aan. But those who can reason knows very well that this is not true about Noble Qur'aan.

"Come now and let us reason together, saidth the Lord." [1:18 Isaiah].

Source: http://www.answering-christianity.com/two_women.htm

The quran is lying to you, Flores. Open your mind and free theyself!!!

You are lying to Flores....open your mind and free yourself from your lies, or MOVE ON TO THE NEXT LIE SO THAT I CAN EXPOSE YOU !! I CANT WAIT !

:p
 
DoctorNO said:
On the other hand women have the following advantages over men:

* Emotional stability
* Higher tolerance for pain
* Social superiority
* Resistance to G force (making them superior fighter jet pilots)
* Sophisticated reproductive system.

The quran is lying to you, Flores. Open your mind and free theyself!!! :(

(im not saying women are inferior in this article but im just saying this weirdo is just chattin)

1) *Emotional stability - according to science, men see things in a more plain and obvious way and tend to not get to emotionally involved in things. generally they tend to cry less becasue of emtion. this originates from the caveman era when men were seen as hunters and protectors and women as nuterors (biologically this is still true)

2) Higher tolerance of pain - yep true. but men have more muscle mass which makes them fell less pain.

3) * socail superiority. until feminsim in the west a womans view was not taken in to acoount. until 1800's women couldn't even own property in the UK (the property was transferred COMPLETLY to the man after marrage). there are very few female presidents etc.

4) resistance to G Force - wow thats a real help. most people wont even have EVER deal with significant (or moderatel) amounts of G Force in their enitre life unless they go high speed jets or rockets

4) Complex reproductive system - true but what has that got to do with anythhing. reproduction needs a female AND a male.

God im only 14 aswell. :eek:
 
Proud_Muslim said:
2. Even in so-called free world and so-called civilized societies of Europe and USA have a glass ceiling [invisible] for women which often prevents women to advance and exercise her rights. Still women are overwhelmingly outnumbered by men in so-called democratic judicial systems [to represent or be represented] of Europe and USA let alone other parts of world.

yep, the glass ceiling means that although legally women can do whatever in the "liberated" west. soceity still represses them from achieving so thats why it is a galss ceiling.

IN THE UK, women make only 15% of the entire SENIOR workforce while men are 85%.

the senior legal and juridical system is only 7% female.
 
DoctorNO said:
"Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females" (004.011)
(

here im explaining why women get half;

if my and my sis were to inherit money then i would get $10,000 and me sis $5,000

this is BETTER for my my SIS cos i would be OBLIGED to take care of my relatives,pay zakat, buy things for my wife, pay for families education, health, gifts etc. so id be getting doh mainly for my my wife & kids.

my sis would have no responsibilties (maybe zakat im not sure). so she would have a $5000 SHOPPING SPREE lucky gyal. :mad:
 
and oh yeah my sisters clothes,health,food,education etc. would have to be paid buy either me or her husband so the doh is entirely hers
 
Proud_Muslim said:
Look who is talking about something ' original ' !! PATHETIC !!

Anyway, here is something VERY ORIGINAL:

The Bible includes countless tales of raw, forbidden sex. We've gathered some of the best bible sex stories here, filling in what you didn't learn in Sunday school.

http://www.biblesexstories.com/

:cool:

:eek: OH CALCUTA!! :D
 
Preacher_X said:
(im not saying women are inferior in this article but im just saying this weirdo is just chattin)
Well then what is your personal opinion of women? Are they superior, inferior, or balancely equal to men?

If you are smart enough you wont have to ask me what I mean by "balancely equal". Hint: Im talking more about a weighing scale than a scientific equation.

:cool:
 
Preacher_X said:
here im explaining why women get half;

if my and my sis were to inherit money then i would get $10,000 and me sis $5,000

this is BETTER for my my SIS cos i would be OBLIGED to take care of my relatives,pay zakat, buy things for my wife, pay for families education, health, gifts etc. so id be getting doh mainly for my my wife & kids.

my sis would have no responsibilties (maybe zakat im not sure). so she would have a $5000 SHOPPING SPREE lucky gyal.
I am going to allow your Sisters in Islam destroy YOUR STUPID ARGUMENT.

  • ”It is unfortunate that the administration of the syariah laws on inheritance emphasize the provision that male heirs be given a double share under the faraid distribution, without emphasizing on the rationale for this rule -- that the man has the legal responsibility to provide maintenance for the family, and thus every female should always have a man to provide for her needs, be he a father, a brother, a husband or a son. In today's society, however, many women have to earn their own living and provide for their own needs, and widowed and divorced mothers often have to provide for their children's needs

    http://www.muslimtents.com/sistersinislam/letterstoeditors/090902.htm


YOUR OUTDATED QURAN HAVE LONG OUTLIVED ITS USEFULNESS.
 
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