Mormons are a CULT!

[WildBlueYonder]

Originally posted by wesmorris
dude, I'm way too lazy, but thanks! really, when I took a class in medieval monastacism from a priest, I felt that catholocism was done (in the sense of my original "do catholics next" post) quite well during that time. sadly, the details now escape me.

hmm... maybe I could start by talking about all the catholic butt-raping cardinals right? woo hoo!

then maybe the churches history of incredible corruption, homosexuality and murder.. wait molestation! i can't decide where to start!

Hey, get up you lazy bum, times a wasting

 

[pumpkinsaren'torange]

ohmigosh!!! *witnesses the resurrection of thread* nnnnoooooooo. *runs*

 

[WildBlueYonder]

Originally posted by pumpkinsaren'torange



ohmigosh!!! *witnesses the resurrection of thread* nnnnoooooooo. *runs*

Yep, Chromatose couldn't stay away too long, see string of posts on previous page

 

[WildBlueYonder]

Funny, how for a religion that says that they were founded here in the Western Hemisphere, whose various members say or have said, "that Mayans or other Mexicans are the remnants of some ancient 'Reformed Egyptian'-speaking Jewish civilization that wrote the Book of Mormon"; says they are the one & only true church, has no proof of any of their claims, & that when you google the keywords " "BYU archeology" mexico ", that the only two sites that Google finds are this Sciforums thread & the one below, says to me, that BYU isn't doing their job & that they can not prove the BoM true, so they stay out of any "claims", except through their flunkies, & 'front men':

http://www.angelfire.com/trek/forthetruth/filmore.html

The Man Behind the Finding of These Ancient Brass Plates
The plates pictured here were found while searching the under ground shaft, which was built around 450 ad. It's contents seem to be protected by a series of "booby traps", as a number of people have mysteriously been killed trying to enter the tunnel. In the early 1960's, Jose Davila, (who was able to discern what the glyphs said), took a couple of BYU archeology students to this location, where they tried lowering someone down the hole. Here is the story.
Del Allgood owned a small rock shop in Fillmore UT. He was a talented man and could do the most amazing things with an old twisted up piece of wood or a pile of ordinary rocks. If he wasn't busy creating his works of art he was in the hill's looking for more recourses to build his art with. It was during one of these excursions that he stumbled upon the mysterious symbol site in the hills above Fillmore Utah. Even though he wasn't the first to discover them, he did take an unusual interest in them in trying to figure out their meaning. Del worked at the local gas station to help subsidize his income. He loved talking to the customers about the symbols and the Spanish mines in the mountains. One day a man from Salt Lake City stopped by for a fill up. As usual Del started talking about the symbols and how they almost looked like Egyptian hieroglyphs. In an unusual turn of fate, the customer knew a professional treasure hunter named Jose Davila, who could read Egyptian. Jose is from Mexico but just happened to be in Salt Lake City that week.

If this story were true, there would have been MAJOR news & academia activities.

Stop & think, what would be the result of someone finding a real dinosaur, ala "Jurassic park", tell us, would there be a similar commotion if a verifiable ancient Egyptian or Jewish civilization could be tied to the Western Hemisphere?

 

[Chromatose]

Probably bogus, but the LDS church is still the right one.

Can't prove it? Well first, you're going to have to prove the existence of God anyway.

The LDS church is no more a cult than any religion.

The current leaders just marked their 10th year and noted that the church has given $640,000,000 in humanitarian aid during that time, no matter what the disaster or country. LDS church members are friendly, generous people for the most part, so whether you believe in the religion or not, it's a waste of time to single them out for picking on. Such activity is part of the prophesies.

The evidence of the truth of the LDS church is a matter of perspective. There are a good 11,000,000 of them (us) who are quite certain because the Holy Ghost has made it clear and many have experienced too many personal spiritual happenings to deny it.

Lastly, why are you replying to a thread that's been dead since January 2003?
I'd completely forgotten this place.

 

[WildBlueYonder]

Lastly, why are you replying to a thread that's been dead since January 2003?
I'd completely forgotten this place.

because I found this, while google-ing " "BYU archeology" mexico ":

& that when you google the keywords " "BYU archeology" mexico ", that the only two sites that Google finds are this Sciforums thread & the one below, says to me, that BYU isn't doing their job & that they can not prove the BoM true, so they stay out of any "claims", except through their flunkies, & 'front men':

 

[WildBlueYonder]

The evidence of the truth of the LDS church is a matter of perspective. There are a good 11,000,000 of them (us) who are quite certain because the Holy Ghost has made it clear and many have experienced too many personal spiritual happenings to deny it.

if numbers alone are the tellers of truth;
there are 1.2 billion muslims, 1.6 billion Christians, 1.1 billion hindus

 

[battig1370]

CULT: > ritualistic religious system

I have noticed that those who belong to a CULT accuse others outside their own CULT of belonging to a CULT. One ritualistic religious system pointing their finger at another ritualistic religious system saying their a CULT. One ritualistic religious system
saying that the others are of the Devil. A NEVER ENDING WAR!

Peace be with you, Paul

 

[mormonchik]

Excuse Me Pumpkin! Nobody wants you writing about something you know nothing about!

 

[WildBlueYonder]

Excuse Me Pumpkin! Nobody wants you writing about something you know nothing about!

huh? censorship? just rebutt her, if you have anything to say

& welcome to SciForums

 

[Nehushta]

if numbers alone are the tellers of truth;
there are 1.2 billion muslims, 1.6 billion Christians, 1.1 billion hindus

I'm just curious, are all Christian groups (e.g., Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.) included in the 1.6 billion?

 

[WildBlueYonder]

I'm just curious, are all Christian groups (e.g., Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.) included in the 1.6 billion?

no, because they are not christian; they believe in things that lead people along the wide path that leads to destruction; I would dare guess that maybe 99% of all mormons don't know Jesus enough to go to heaven; maybe 90% of catholics don't & 100% of JW's don't.

You can be a catholic & not a christian
& you can be both a catholic & a christian,
& you can be a protestant & not a christian
& you can be both a protestant & a christian
& you can be a christian & not a Christian

because you must be born-again to be saved, read John 3: 1 to 21, the lecture to Nicodemus

 

[SkinWalker]

I agree that the Mormon Churches involvement in archaeology is, to a large extent, academically flawed, but there are some archaeologists of high caliber that are smart enough to take advantage of their funding to do the research they want to do. I know of at least one!

But I must point out that you might increase your Google hits if you spell it "archaeology" instead of "archeology."

Lastly, anthropologically speaking, any cult/religion that believes that Jesus Christ was the son of some god is a christian cult, be they mormon, catholic, protestant, or Heaven's Gate. I'll agree, however, that there is Christian behavior, but there is also Christian doctrine, and that's the defining characteristic. Members of some cults/sects may want the behavior to be the defining characteristic, but in the end, it's simply whether or not they believe that J.C. was a real figure or not.

 

[Gravity]

The only difference between a ''cult'' and a religion is the number of believers.

 

[Marlin]

I would dare guess that maybe 99% of all mormons don't know Jesus enough to go to heaven;

And what, pray tell, do you have to know about Jesus to go to heaven, that the Mormons don't know?

 

[Chromatose]

because I found this, while google-ing " "BYU archeology" mexico & that when you google the keywords BYU archeology" mexico, that the only two sites that Google finds are this Sciforums thread & the one below, says to me, that BYU isn't doing their job & that they can not prove the BoM true, so they stay out of any "claims", except through their flunkies, & 'front men

That's complete nonsense. In no way is it the job of the BYU to prove LDS theology. If you've paid attention to much of the archeological and DNA research being done around the world, you've seen that the BYU is right at the forefront. They let the science lead where it may.

However, LDS people are mostly aware of the scripture that says essentially that compared to God, man's knowledge is like a grain of sand on a beach.

Too many scientists (and atheists) have a couple of major misconceptions about it:

1 - That it is the only way of obtaining truth and knowledge.

2 - That it's methods can apply to everything. (hence they try to do foolish things like apply their logic to God's actions)

If God is essentially omniscient and omnipotent, the universe we, as mortals, perceive can have been arranged for us to perceive as he desires. Or, most likely we're currently in possession of such a tiny amount of the whole of knowledge, that almost all is still beyond the scope we can understand.

In the context of LDS doctrine of mortal life being something of a test, if everything in the Bible and Book of Mormon were provable, faith would be obsolete and the test would have no purpose.

 

[Gravity]

Santa, Fairies, Witches, Demons, Jesus, Thor . . . yawn. BeLIEve whatever TF you want to. Just keep it out of laws that effect me, wars that could kill my children, my tax dollars and etc.

 

[SkinWalker]

Too many scientists (and atheists) have a couple of major misconceptions about it:

1 - That it is the only way of obtaining truth and knowledge.

What other way is there (assuming you are referring to 'science.' Your statement was ambiguous)?

2 - That it's methods can apply to everything. (hence they try to do foolish things like apply their logic to God's actions)

Scientific method can apply to everything. It is just that humanity's natural affliction of magical thinking attempts to override the logical, critical thinking choice. But with regard to "god's actions," I'd have to ask which god? and why would science wish to apply logic to magical thinking?

 

[Chromatose]

if numbers alone are the tellers of truth;
there are 1.2 billion muslims, 1.6 billion Christians, 1.1 billion hindus

I said nothing about numbers being the lone teller of truth. I'll thank you to debate what i say, not what you infer from what i say.

In fact the numbers in a religion are insignificant alone. Large groups are swelled by procreation; raising kids within a faith. Also, many people choose a religion a bit like they choose a car. Look at this new surge in this Kabbalah silliness. It's a complete distortion of the original material but it makes great waves among the those with a lot of money to blow, looking for a no-hassle religion, like celebrities.

Forget religions for a moment, how many people do you think you could find on the planet that would sincerely swear they are certain God exists, as opposed to just believing, or thinking he might.

It would be far too many to be explained away as just self delusion, or mental instability, brain washing, or whatever.

 

[Chromatose]

Santa, Fairies, Witches, Demons, Jesus, Thor . . . yawn. BeLIEve whatever TF you want to. Just keep it out of laws that effect me, wars that could kill my children, my tax dollars and etc.

I agree that a religion as the holder of govt. power is a recipe for disaster. However, i think it almost equally bad that those making up a govt. think they're the ultimate power; i.e. no God, because they're likely to think there's no real consequence to their actions beyond the imediate, and seek less diligently for answers the benefit all.